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Posted 2026-January-15, 16:21

J
T5
AK963
AK786

Club game MPs, red against green.

After two passes, RHO opens a weak 2. What do you do?
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Posted 2026-January-15, 16:36

I bid 3 taking it to 4 over any other bid. This hand should play ok somewhere between 3 & 4 if partner has little.

Or you could swap 3 asking for a stopper to both minors as I guess the frequency of the bid would be higher.
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Posted 2026-January-16, 04:28

You can't afford to pass missing a vulnerable minor suit game if partner has fit and 1 ace.

A dummy good enough for 5 for instance


So bid whatever shows minors, whatever shows a two suiter with one of your suits or in case neither option is available 3.

Yes it is risky, and it could lead to disaster but you just can't sell out too cheaply.
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Posted 2026-January-16, 05:01

I bid 3, I didn't like it but we had no way of showing a minor two suiter other than maybe 4NT and I didn't think the hand was strong enough for that.



What do you think partner has and what do you do now?
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Posted 2026-January-16, 05:22

View PostAL78, on 2026-January-16, 05:01, said:

I bid 3, I didn't like it but we had no way of showing a minor two suiter other than maybe 4NT and I didn't think the hand was strong enough for that.



What do you think partner has and what do you do now?

I guess he has a limited 6-suiter inviting 4. Stick to plan and bid 4. This shows the strength bound 55 shape. 4 would have been unlimitted.
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Posted 2026-January-16, 08:47

I was struggling to think of a hand which can bid 3 but couldn't open 1 or 2 and I assumed it was a weak two hand that partner decided was unsuitable for opening second at red, in which case it is a misfit hand and we aren't really going anywhere so I decided to pass. By either luck or judgement I wasn't far off:



This was +140 and a joint top. Several people bid game in spades or NT going down. Someone went two off in 3 and one South was allowed to play in 2 two down.

Partner said he didn't want to open 3 with a four card major on the side.
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Posted 2026-January-16, 15:43

View PostAL78, on 2026-January-16, 08:47, said:

Partner said he didn't want to open 3 with a four card major on the side.

I also wouldn't open 3 with that crappy suit in 2nd seat unfavorable.

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Posted 2026-January-16, 16:45

View Postbarmar, on 2026-January-16, 15:43, said:

I also wouldn't open 3 with that crappy suit in 2nd seat unfavorable.

On the contrary I think that an agreement not to open this hand is looking for trouble, even 2nd seat unfavourable and (all the more reason) with a 4 card major side suit.
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Posted 2026-January-16, 21:44

I would open East's hand, but it's close between 2&3 at these colours. Opening 2 I would find the s on this hand.
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Posted Yesterday, 15:26

View Postpescetom, on 2026-January-16, 16:45, said:

On the contrary I think that an agreement not to open this hand is looking for trouble, even 2nd seat unfavourable and (all the more reason) with a 4 card major side suit.


This is one area of bidding I feel left behind, I'm not used to ultra-aggressive pre-empting. I did open 2 in 2nd seat at red on these cards which is something I wouldn't normally do, but maybe the frustration of picking up poor hands was starting to get to me:

T98754
62
KT53
8

Partner raised to 4 and we played there, partner put down:

KJ32
Q4
AJ
KQJ92

Although the AQ were over the KJ, a defensive error allowed me to hold it to one down for an 80% board
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Posted Yesterday, 16:03

View PostAL78, on 2026-January-17, 15:26, said:

This is one area of bidding I feel left behind, I'm not used to ultra-aggressive pre-empting. I did open 2 in 2nd seat at red on these cards which is something I wouldn't normally do, but maybe the frustration of picking up poor hands was starting to get to me:

T98754
62
KT53
8

That is closer to a psyche than aggression :)
There is an ocean of difference compared to the hand of East above, which I think is an automatic opening of some kind unless you are hampered by agreements promising a perfecto concentration of strength in the trump suit or forbidding a major on the side.
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