[hotShot]

olegru, on Oct 8 2005, 12:04 AM, said:

hotShot, on Oct 7 2005, 03:05 PM, said:

Is something strange with south bid?
S holds  4333 distribution with 3HCP and his 4card suit is lead by the 9. There is not even a 10 in this hand.
How strong can he expect N to be? 12+ HCP seems ok ...
S only 4 card suit is ♣ so his options are 2♣ and pass.
If N has a minimum opening, EW can still have a full game with 25 hcp on their side.
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Maybe pass is not an expert bid, but it is not unusual in any way.

So if there is nothing strange with NS bidding there is no case. Result stands.
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Lets count:
EW have 10 tricks in spades: 1 ♠* +3 = 760 after pass from S > 620 in 4♠ after 2♣ from S. --> pass is bad.
EW have 9 tricks in spades: 1 ♠* +2 = 560 > 140 in 3♠ --> pass is bad.
EW have 8 tricks in spades: 1 ♠* +1 = 360 > 110 in 2♠ --> pass is bad.

Conclusion: Pass is ridiculous.

North could very well hold this hand:

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How many times is 2♣ down?

Let us count:
2♣X-4 n.vul. = 800, worse than 1♠X+3 which is only 760

[Brandal]

hotShot, on Oct 8 2005, 03:57 AM, said:

North could very well hold this hand:

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How many times is 2♣ down?

Let us count:
2♣X-4 n.vul. = 800, worse than 1♠X+3 which is only 760

If this is how you reason when pd X 1S opener,
I have alot to learn

Isn't it just as likely this pair use X=pen
and bid=constructive?

[Chamaco]

hotShot, on Oct 8 2005, 08:57 AM, said:

North could very well hold this hand:

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ J3 ♥ AQ86 ♦ Q876 ♣ KT8

How many times is 2♣ down?

Let us count:
2♣X-4 n.vul. = 800, worse than 1♠X+3 which is only 760

If that's the worry, then better bid 2H for a Moysian fit.

Some people play (not me) that 1NT can be a "desperation" bid, promising nothing at all. I do not like this, but anything is better than a penalty pass if holding 3 hcp !

Whatever your approach, JUST BID SOMETHING, and not pass a takeout by pard just because the choices are unappealing.

Bidding whatever you like here is the least of evils if compared to an insane penalty pass :-)

[hotShot]

"No fit, no bid!"

So "pass" is not intended to be a "penalty pass", it is just an "desperation pass". Common among players who don't know better.
Good players and established partnerships should not need to use desparate means.

So from this one board you can't conclude about NS style of dbl.
As pointed out before, if this is the second incident of that type, this is a different story.

[Posleda]

hotShot, on Oct 8 2005, 05:57 PM, said:

North could very well hold this hand:

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Could, at the time of his double. Could not, after E's pass, if they use usual methods.