[moose]

My partner went offline in the middle of a tournament, the TD put a sub in and adjusted the board to A+ A- We had no time to complete the hand the bidding hadn’t finished, so adjusted score is fine but why should we be penalized ? I expected A=

[hotShot]

The bridge laws see each pair as a unit. It was your partner leaving making your side responsible for the unfinished board.

In face to face bridge you would be able to convince partner to stay.
Online it is not possible, so maybe the rules should be adjusted to that situation. But this will mix up the results as the will not add up to 100% any more.
Until the laws are changed, it is Ave- for the responsable side.

[moose]

Please explain what you mean about mixing up results and not adding up to 100%? In many cases adjustments dont balance.

[pigpenz]

in acbl games unfinished hands go avg - to both pairs.

[hotShot]

moose, on May 3 2006, 12:44 AM, said:

Please explain what you mean about mixing up results and not adding up to 100%? In many cases adjustments dont balance.

AVE+ = 60%
AVE- = 40%

AVE= = 50%

So if you give Ave+ to both pairs they earn 120% of the MP's for this board.

[moose]

hotShot, on May 3 2006, 03:48 AM, said:

So if you give Ave+ to both pairs they earn 120% of the MP's for this board.

So what?

[david_c]

There's nothing wrong with having scores which don't add up to 100%. However, I think it would be normal to give A- in a pairs event. In an indy you might expect A+.

[inquiry]

This situation is covered by three laws... 12A2, 12C1, and 88.

Law 12 deals with


Law 12A2. Normal Play of the Board Is Impossible
The Director may award an artificial adjusted score if no rectification can
be made that will permit normal play of the board (see Law 88).

Normal play was impossible due to absences of one of your partnerships players (your partner).

12.C. Awarding an Adjusted Score
12C.1. Artificial Score
When, owing to an irregularity, no result can be obtained, the Director awards an artificial adjusted score according to responsibility for the irregularity: average minus ( at most 40% of the available matchpoints in pairs) to a contestant directly at fault; average (50% in pairs) to a contestant only partially at fault; average plus (at least 60% in pairs ) to a contestant in no way at fault (see Law 86 for team play or Law 88 for pairs play). The scores awarded to the two sides need not balance.

This law tells the director to give average plus to your opponents who were clearly not at fault. What you get is with an average (if your side was partly at fault) or average minus if your side was responsible fpr the lack of a normal result.

LAW 88 - AWARD OF INDEMNITY POINTS
In a pair or individual event, when a non-offending contestant is required to take an artificial adjusted score through no fault or choice of his own, such contestant shall be awarded a minimum of 60% of the matchpoints available to him on that board, or the percentage of matchpoints he earned on boards actually played during the session if that percentage was greater than 60%.

Now what happens on BBO when a tournament hand is unfinished? The software awards Ave- to both sides. Some tourneys leave this. Some assign Averages to each side. Some, as in your case assign A+/-. In the ones I oversee, we first try to see if a normal result would be obtained (say you finish with ONE CARD to play) and assign that actual result, or assign averages if no one is at fault (or can be determinedt to be at fault) or assign either A+/A- or A+/A=. The difference between the last two is how long you made us (the directors) wait to replace your partner,. If you were willing very quickly and we could not find one, we assign A+/A=, if you said, no lets wait and we wait and waited, we assign A+/A-

[DelfinoD]

moose, on May 3 2006, 08:19 AM, said:

hotShot, on May 3 2006, 03:48 AM, said:

So if you give Ave+ to both pairs they earn 120% of the MP's for this board.

So what?

Other pairs are penalized...

[inquiry]

moose, on May 2 2006, 09:48 AM, said:

My partner went offline in the middle of a tournament, the TD put a sub in and adjusted the board to A+ A- We had no time to complete the hand the bidding hadn’t finished, so adjusted score is fine but why should we be penalized ? I expected A=

Please see my earlier post on the laws.

In this situtation, your partner was booted and you could not finish the board, lets evaluate the situation according to the "laws"

1) Your opponents, who were at the table and ready and willing (presumably) to play are contestant who are no way at fault for the inability to obtain a result on the hand. According to the law of bridge, they are REQUIRED to get 60% (or the average of their game, which ever is higher, but on line 60% is the only practical solution). I hope we can all agree they get AVERAGE plus and move to what you and your partner should be awarded.

2) You and your partner didn't complete the hand because one of you had computer problems (presumably, rather than say, you can see you were booked for a bad score and disconnected yourself as a way to get an average or average minus). Let's assume partner got disconnect on board 1 while dummy and you were never able to play board 2, so this is about how to score the undealt board 2.

You and the director can both find subs. If the director asked you if you would like a sub, and you said, "no", the director is correct in giving you an average minus. The hand was not finished because you refused to allow a sub. Thus your side was directly responsible for the incomplete hand. You get AVERAGE MINUS, and move to the next hand.

If you said yes, and no sub could be located, the director has to rule rather or not your side was not at fault either (act of god to disconnect your parnter) or partially at fault (shouldn't play online with poor connections). If the director rules that your side ALSO was not at fault, then you get 60%, if he rules your side was partially at fault you get average.

The BBO tries to enforce good computer connections for tournament play. If you leave too many tournaments, the software will block you ability to play. So I, like the BBO, assume tournament player are expect to have reliable connections. Thus, for disconnects, I assume the partnership is ""partially responsible" and I assign averages to the side that lost the connection. Other directors might rule it an act of god and give both sides A+, and still others assign full blame to the disconnected partnership and assigns A-.

I think as long as the director is consistent in his rulings, there is not a problem.