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Procedural penalties could be a good answer or perhaps they would be misused.
Replacing a player is necessary when they are breaking the rules of the site, using profanities, deliberately fouling a board etc other than that I think the approach is too autocratic. If I’m going to start booting players who disagree with rulings I’d better be 100% right!
This player left voluntarily, I think that’s preferable than having to boot them after it turns into a battle between them and their partner or me.
Problems can almost always be resolved if the player will forgo an instant decision (adjustment) and discuss it.
jb
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Posted 2006-September-12, 22:30
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Posted 2006-September-13, 00:30
jillybean2, on Sep 12 2006, 11:30 PM, said:
Procedural penalties could be a good answer or perhaps they would be misused.
Replacing a player is necessary when they are breaking the rules of the site, using profanities, deliberately fouling a board etc other than that I think the approach is too autocratic. If I’m going to start booting players who disagree with rulings I’d better be 100% right!
This player left voluntarily, I think that’s preferable than having to boot them after it turns into a battle between them and their partner or me.
Problems can almost always be resolved if the player will forgo an instant decision (adjustment) and discuss it.
jb
Replacing a player is necessary when they are breaking the rules of the site, using profanities, deliberately fouling a board etc other than that I think the approach is too autocratic. If I’m going to start booting players who disagree with rulings I’d better be 100% right!
This player left voluntarily, I think that’s preferable than having to boot them after it turns into a battle between them and their partner or me.
Problems can almost always be resolved if the player will forgo an instant decision (adjustment) and discuss it.
jb
Procedural penalties, like any power granted to authority, can be misused, sure. But that shouldn't be a problem with well trained, competent TDs.
You don't boot players because they disagree with your ruling - you boot them because they disagree in a way that disrupts the game or shows disrespect to the TD.
Players voluntarily leaving is a two-edged sword. If you can get an acceptable substitute in quickly, that's one thing. If you can't, the leaving player has "voluntarily" messed up the game for everybody] else. And that merits a "don't come back!" IMO.
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Posted 2006-September-25, 13:18
This situation (and the player's reaction) strikes me as your classic "Opponents did what they shouldn't do and I did what I should and their redoubled contract made, so I demand an adjustment on the grounds that I shouldn't have the results of my tournament screwed up by their dumb luck." I feel their pain, but what are you supposed to do.
The closest I have ever come to swearing at a bridge table was when my partner opened, opponents overcalled 3 hearts, I doubled holding KJxxxx (yup that's 6 of them) in hearts. 3 hearts doubled made! Director! I call for an adjustment based on the gross unfairness of the universe.
I give an example from the ACBL instant matchpoints game a couple of weeks ago.
Declarer opens 3 hearts, I double for takeout, pass, pass, pass. My partner has 6 hearts. I have 2. What?! Only when the lead is made and dummy comes down does declarer realizes that he has pulled the hearts card, instead of 3 diamonds.
I offered to let them rebid the hand but they quite properly didn't accept that. The result, a +1400 for us and 99 matchpoints, won us the event at the local game - and a gold point. Dumb stinking luck. Is this fair? Not really. But can you think of any system which allows a director to "fix" that which wouldn't create more nightmares than it fixed?
Our opponents had a good laugh about it, and went on to the next board. I salute them.
The closest I have ever come to swearing at a bridge table was when my partner opened, opponents overcalled 3 hearts, I doubled holding KJxxxx (yup that's 6 of them) in hearts. 3 hearts doubled made! Director! I call for an adjustment based on the gross unfairness of the universe.
I give an example from the ACBL instant matchpoints game a couple of weeks ago.
Declarer opens 3 hearts, I double for takeout, pass, pass, pass. My partner has 6 hearts. I have 2. What?! Only when the lead is made and dummy comes down does declarer realizes that he has pulled the hearts card, instead of 3 diamonds.
I offered to let them rebid the hand but they quite properly didn't accept that. The result, a +1400 for us and 99 matchpoints, won us the event at the local game - and a gold point. Dumb stinking luck. Is this fair? Not really. But can you think of any system which allows a director to "fix" that which wouldn't create more nightmares than it fixed?
Our opponents had a good laugh about it, and went on to the next board. I salute them.