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#1 User is offline   Apollo81 

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Posted 2006-December-04, 11:26

♠Q
♥AQxxxxx
♦x
♣K10xx

MPs, vul vs not

(pass)-1♥-(6♠)-?

RHO bid 6♠ in tempo, without any sort of tell. He is an expert, and is the type that could be bidding this as a preempt or gamble.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 11:44

Does pass ask pard to bid 7 with:
- a spade void/ace
- aces of ♦ and ♣
- now worry about the ace of trumps?

Of course not.

DBL. 6♠X may be par, with 6♥ cold and 7♥ down 1. 50% is better than 0%


You have 11 HCP. RHO has??? 5? KQxxxxxxxx in spades and a heart void.

That still leaves some for LHO, there is a good channce he has an ace.
He can Lightner double to ask for an unusual lead (not spades or trump) and probably get his trick. Even if he doesn't double, outside of hearts, where is your source of tricks?

DBL, take the plus. Maybe RHO sac'ed needlessly.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 12:01

ArcLight, on Dec 4 2006, 12:44 PM, said:

Does pass ask pard to bid 7 with:
- a spade void/ace
- aces of ♦ and ♣
- now worry about the ace of trumps?

Pass wouldn't be forcing.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 12:06

7♥. If RHO has anything approaching his bid, there's a fair chance that either 6♠ or 7♥ will make. If not...well, he made a bad bid, and sometimes bad bids work. Next time he won't find me with 7 card support for partner.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 12:41

7♥. I've no idea what's making.

My disclaimer is that I can't play matchpoints. :blink:
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Posted 2006-December-04, 12:43

7H

Most people won't overcall 6S unless they think it has a chance of making, or they think we have a chance of making.

This is easier at IMPs when I think 7H is obvious. MPs is tougher.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 12:49

I'll pull an Al Roth here:

"How can you post this problem! In all my years, I've never encountered such a sequence. I abstain"....

Apologies to non-BW readers ;)
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Posted 2006-December-04, 13:00

pclayton, on Dec 4 2006, 01:49 PM, said:

I'll pull an Al Roth here:

"How can you post this problem! In all my years, I've never encountered such a sequence. I abstain"....

Apologies to non-BW readers :)

;)
This kind of problem has very limited meaning for every day bridge.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 13:13

>Pass wouldn't be forcing.

I know. Hence my next line "Of Course not"


I still don't see why you should bid to 7?

MP is about percentages. Is there > 50% chance pard has 3 aces or 2 aces and a spade void?
I don't think so, even though he opened.

Even with that you still might not make.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 13:37

I'll double, since I don't have a first round control ♠...
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Posted 2006-December-04, 13:45

HeartA, on Dec 4 2006, 03:00 PM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 4 2006, 01:49 PM, said:

I'll pull an Al Roth here:

"How can you post this problem! In all my years, I've never encountered such a sequence. I abstain"....

Apologies to non-BW readers :)

;)
This kind of problem has very limited meaning for every day bridge.

I of coruse did not post this trying to figure out what is right. I am more interested in what people would do here and what their reasoning is in hopes that I can learn something and apply it to my advantage in the future.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 19:44

X.

I'm playing RHO for 2 losers, AKJxxxxxx - AKx x to be precise :D.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 20:10

Agree that this is a pontless problem. Anyway I'm bidding 7H. I'm not risking anything here.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 20:34

Double at MP
7H at imps...

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Posted 2006-December-04, 22:01

Hi everyone

He bid 6 Spades in 'tempo.' Without any sort of tell? Really?

If 6Ss is not making, bidding 7H seems to be turning a plus into a minus 'unless' partner holds a miracle hand. MPs rewards plus scores.


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Posted 2006-December-04, 22:07

This is MPs..if 6♠ makes you are getting a bad score, doubled or not since unless RHO is virtually a lock to have 12 tricks in hand, 6♠ may not be bid.

7♥ is a BIG underdog to make since PD needs all 3 missing aces and there still could possible be a club loser.

Thus you have a very clear double at MPs. .. neilkaz ..
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Posted 2006-December-04, 23:55

Smack it around. Too speculative to bid on here. Lead a trump.
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Posted 2006-December-05, 00:18

FrancesHinden, on Dec 4 2006, 08:43 PM, said:

7H

Most people won't overcall 6S unless they think it has a chance of making, or they think we have a chance of making.

This is easier at IMPs when I think 7H is obvious. MPs is tougher.

Yes, but some people would bid 6♠ on the basis of the idea that we think they are serious.

In the December issue of IMP there was a storry about poor Frank Burghout who fell victim to this LOTT violation:
3♦---dbl-5♦-dbl
pass-6♥.a.p.

opps had a 6-0 fit in diamonds while Frank and his p had a 5-1 fit in hearts.
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Posted 2006-December-05, 02:56

I'd definately double... I'm unconvinced by any of the arguments in favour of bidding the grand, at any form of scoring.
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Posted 2006-December-05, 05:49

Think DBL is clearcut at MP : 7H is not that likely to make and if 6S makes i might be protected by the field. Much tougher decision at IMP : think double is still correct but would not have the guts and would probably bid 7H at the table. 7H is probably the correct call at rubber bridge.
Anyway, do not mind to be wrong on this one since the next occurence is probably in 40 years B)
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