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Posted 2006-December-30, 09:57
No.
It also won't do anything significant to the civil war in Iraq.
Bush (and the coalition) has hurt that poor country as much
as Hussein.
I cry no tears for Hussein, who was an evil butcher, but
will Bush swing for his war crimes? Not likely.
Peter
It also won't do anything significant to the civil war in Iraq.
Bush (and the coalition) has hurt that poor country as much
as Hussein.
I cry no tears for Hussein, who was an evil butcher, but
will Bush swing for his war crimes? Not likely.
Peter
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Posted 2006-December-30, 10:07
Hard to answer:
I believe that Sadaam was guilty of some terrible crimes, however, I don't think that he recieved a fair trial. Juan Cole published a good article in Salon this morning documenting a number of issues with the trial.
http://www.salon.com...6/12/30/saddam/
From my perspective, this was another clear case where the "Means" is a lot more important than the ends. I am philosophically opposed to the death penalty. However, this is one of those cases where I wouldn't have lost all that much sleep about Sadaam's fate. However, the trial was botched so badly that this act isn't going to create any kind of closure. Its simply going pour more gasoline on the fires.
Coupled with this, I find it somewhat suspicious that Sadaam was executed before he went on trial for any of his crimes against the Kurds. It was generally presumed that Sadaam's defense would be expose a lot of history that the Bush administration wouldn't want to have see the light of day. Quite frankly, the quick and dirty execution makes it look like he killed to shut him up.
I believe that Sadaam was guilty of some terrible crimes, however, I don't think that he recieved a fair trial. Juan Cole published a good article in Salon this morning documenting a number of issues with the trial.
http://www.salon.com...6/12/30/saddam/
From my perspective, this was another clear case where the "Means" is a lot more important than the ends. I am philosophically opposed to the death penalty. However, this is one of those cases where I wouldn't have lost all that much sleep about Sadaam's fate. However, the trial was botched so badly that this act isn't going to create any kind of closure. Its simply going pour more gasoline on the fires.
Coupled with this, I find it somewhat suspicious that Sadaam was executed before he went on trial for any of his crimes against the Kurds. It was generally presumed that Sadaam's defense would be expose a lot of history that the Bush administration wouldn't want to have see the light of day. Quite frankly, the quick and dirty execution makes it look like he killed to shut him up.
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Posted 2006-December-30, 10:16
Gee, now I guess we never will find those weapons of mass destruction.
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Posted 2006-December-30, 10:44
The good news is that I doubt I will ever have a nightmare that they might have executed an innocent person.
Why Hussein if not Pinochet? Pinochet really meant more to me as those crimes were committed in my youth.
After this, will it ever be possible to catch Karadzic and Mladic?
Why Hussein if not Pinochet? Pinochet really meant more to me as those crimes were committed in my youth.
After this, will it ever be possible to catch Karadzic and Mladic?
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Posted 2006-December-30, 11:00
pbleighton, on Dec 30 2006, 05:57 PM, said:
No.
It also won't do anything significant to the civil war in Iraq.
It also won't do anything significant to the civil war in Iraq.
Agree.
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Bush (and the coalition) has hurt that poor country as much
as Hussein.
as Hussein.
Just wonder if "Hussein" is subject or object of the implied sentence. Maybe it doesn't matter .....
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Posted 2006-December-30, 11:01
yes, I am now going to be more worried about the morons in charge of our countries,
They do not have a clue, they are bloody idiots and they would be dangerous if they had half a brain
They do not have a clue, they are bloody idiots and they would be dangerous if they had half a brain
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Posted 2006-December-30, 11:30
pigpenz, on Dec 30 2006, 04:44 PM, said:
so the does the hanging of Sadaam Hussein change your life?
It sure changed his!
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Posted 2006-December-30, 12:47
Saddam was right about one thing. The result of the "trial" was a foregone conclusion from the very beginning. Having said that, all dictators deserve death and that he was a dictator is not a matter up for question.
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Posted 2006-December-30, 13:40
"Just wonder if "Hussein" is subject or object of the implied sentence. Maybe it doesn't matter ..... "
Nope.
Peter
Nope.
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Posted 2006-December-30, 14:07
At least we don't have to worry about Sadaam publishing a book If I Committed Mass Murder, Here's How I'd Do It.
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Posted 2006-December-30, 22:36
Any country which has the death penalty can hardly lay claim to be a civilized country.
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Posted 2006-December-30, 23:02
The_Hog, on Dec 30 2006, 11:36 PM, said:
Any country which has the death penalty can hardly lay claim to be a civilized country.
Ok....what do you do with people who kill people in jail? Just wondering. Spend more of your salary/tax money that no one does? Get a second job to pay for better prisons?
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Posted 2006-December-31, 00:26
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Any country which has the death penalty can hardly lay claim to be a civilized country.
I would be happy to live in an uncivilised country, I do not believe we should not play god on occasions
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Posted 2006-December-31, 00:49
It will change my life a little.
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Posted 2006-December-31, 02:40
mike777, on Dec 31 2006, 06:02 AM, said:
The_Hog, on Dec 30 2006, 11:36 PM, said:
Any country which has the death penalty can hardly lay claim to be a civilized country.
Ok....what do you do with people who kill people in jail? Just wondering. Spend more of your salary/tax money that no one does? Get a second job to pay for better prisons?
Pack 'em off to Australia?
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Posted 2006-December-31, 11:20
mike777, on Dec 31 2006, 08:02 AM, said:
The_Hog, on Dec 30 2006, 11:36 PM, said:
Any country which has the death penalty can hardly lay claim to be a civilized country.
Ok....what do you do with people who kill people in jail? Just wondering. Spend more of your salary/tax money that no one does? Get a second job to pay for better prisons?
Mike, I've known for a long time that you're a piss poor excuse for a human being, but even I'm surprised by this comment.
You don't kill people because you think its convenient...
I recall an earlier posting of yours in which you claimed that all taxes were unjustified. You deleted it pretty damn quick, but it was there.
At the time, I thought that the posting was pretty telling. I think so even more when I see you make a posting like this.
Filthy lucre. Thats all that matters to you, isn't it?
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Posted 2006-December-31, 14:41
Richard if you read what I wrote I never used or implied the word convenient. Do you actually know anyone who has been murdered? If you are sure they will not keep killing and killing without the threat of the death penalty ok but please do not put mean words into my mouth. ty..
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Posted 2006-December-31, 15:55
It has saddened me in several ways.
To know that we continue to err in the same ways and never learn.
To see that we are unable to come up with a "punishment" that would truly serve a purpose......(make S.H. the "Tony Snow" spokesman for the new Kurdish republic. Now that would scare some people for sure...)
That our nature is to compare and criticize rather than understand and agree.
That in the end, we are all equals and that even if we all face the same eventuality, couldn't it be faced together rather than at each other's throats?
To know that we continue to err in the same ways and never learn.
To see that we are unable to come up with a "punishment" that would truly serve a purpose......(make S.H. the "Tony Snow" spokesman for the new Kurdish republic. Now that would scare some people for sure...)
That our nature is to compare and criticize rather than understand and agree.
That in the end, we are all equals and that even if we all face the same eventuality, couldn't it be faced together rather than at each other's throats?
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Posted 2006-December-31, 17:18
mike777, on Dec 31 2006, 11:41 PM, said:
Do you actually know anyone who has been murdered?
I've been lucky enough that none of my friends or family have been a victim of a violent crime.
Maybe my opinion about the death penalty would change if someone I knew and loved were raped or murdered. Then again, maybe someone who feels personally victimized shouldn't be in a position to make these types of decisions.
Personally, I prefer that these types of issues get decided in a rational and dispassionate manner rather than succumbing to "an eye for an eye" mentality.
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