awm, on Dec 22 2007, 12:15 AM, said:
(1) We will often gain when opener has 18-19 balanced without takeout shape. Yes, occasionally we catch partner with garbage and no obvious place to run, and we get -180 or -280 or whatever defending 1NTX.
Or -560 or -760 defending 1NTxx. The opponents are allowed to count their points too.

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