[kgr]

holding as dealer: 3=3=3=4 (4 card Clubs) and 11HCP at MP's (don't know vuln).
bidding goes:
P-(P)-P-1♥
??
- -
My partner DBL'ed with the hand described above. I really didn't like this.
Questions:
- Would you want to have a bid that shows this hand.
- Suppose that you were allowed to tell everybody at the table that you have this hand. Would you want to do that?

[ArtK78]

First of all, it would be nice to see the actual hand.

Having said that, it is hard to imagine why one would want to take a call on a 3334 11 count.

As for your last question, if I had a way to announce that I had almost the definition of an unremarkable average hand, I don't believe that I would do so.

[han]

Of course no bid for this hand. Doubling is bad.

Don't care much about the second question. The opponents will likely declare so it may help them but it may help partner as well.

[kenrexford]

If the hand is one that merits considering a double with 4333 shape, a 1♣ opening comes to mind. If you don't like that style, doubling often may be a bad substitute. But, it depends on the hand, I suppose.

[neilkaz]

This sounds like one of the nicest passes ever dealt to anyone.

[andy_h]

At white MP and 5th seat, if my 11count looks nice outside of hearts, I would X. I'm not sure if I understand the question about having an exact bid showing this exact hand or if I want to tell everybody my exact hand..

[jtfanclub]

I'm confused.

AQx
xxx
KTx
QT9x

People open with this hand?

People pass with this hand after P-P-P-1♥ white in MPs?

You's gonna get your clock cleaned passing the second time with this, in MPs. They'll end up in 1NT or some stupid 2 level contract which makes. Yeah, OK, one time in a trillion you'll end up doubled in a two level contract down 2. I'll take my chances.

[ArtK78]

jtfanclub, on Jun 25 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

People pass with this hand after P-P-P-1♥ white in MPs?

Yes.

And I am still living. My clock may be clean, but my matchpoint scores have not suffered.

[jdaming]

jt what hand would you put your partner with that this auction is possible and partner won't reopen. The only hands I can think of when he has openish and trumps in which case defense seems just as likely to profit as getting into a misfit our way.

[jtfanclub]

jdaming, on Jun 25 2008, 03:48 PM, said:

jt what hand would you put your partner with that this auction is possible and partner won't reopen. The only hands I can think of when he has openish and trumps in which case defense seems just as likely to profit as getting into a misfit our way.

3 passes, then

1♥ P 2♥

vs. 3 passes then
1♥ X 2♥

If I double, partner knows he can safely pre-balance. If partner doesn't pre-balance, I can leave it alone. If I pass with 0-11, then either partner ends up pre-balancing when I don't have the hand to help, or I end up balancing (if this gets passed around) when I shouldn't. Doubling early is a level safer.

3 passes, then
1♥ P 1NT (semiforcing)

vs. 3 passes then
1♥ X 1NT(nonforcing)

The top one is not at all a safe one to walk in with a 5 card minor and about 9 hcp. There's a misfit implication that is not good, especially if they're just under points for game. Again, if I pass with 0-11, either partner will come in and get hammered a good portion of the time, or I'll end up making some ridiculous balancing call.

[kenrexford]

jtfanclub, on Jun 25 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

I'm confused.

AQx
xxx
KTx
QT9x

People open with this hand?

People pass with this hand after P-P-P-1♥ white in MPs?

You's gonna get your clock cleaned passing the second time with this, in MPs. They'll end up in 1NT or some stupid 2 level contract which makes. Yeah, OK, one time in a trillion you'll end up doubled in a two level contract down 2. I'll take my chances.

Easy 1♣ opening.

[effervesce]

1) Hate double here- double should be shape-specific at the 1 level unless having extras
2) No, if I had a bid which said I was 11 pts 3334 I wouldn't use it here anyway. i) They're more likely to declare ii) Your hand shape is built for defending not declaring iii) Partner will balance when it's right to. An X with such a hand is just saying to partner you don't trust him to balance when he should, and is masterminding IMO.

[fromageGB]

jtfanclub, on Jun 25 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

AQx
xxx
KTx
QT9x

People open with this hand?

Without even pausing for thought. Looks like a simple mini NT. I've played 10-12 in first 2 seats for a long time and think the advantages outweigh the downsides. If you are not playing a mini then 1♣ is fine if you have transfer responses.

Would I overcall on this? No way.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 you may be able to make a case for doubling,
as long as the heart suit is something like xxx.
Personnally I hate t/o with 4333 shape, so I am
not unpartial (?!).
As it is, you may also require a 4 card spade suit.

#2 Why should I do this?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jtfanclub]

fromageGB, on Jun 26 2008, 06:32 AM, said:

Looks like a simple mini NT.

If you're playing a mini-NT, why are you even reading the thread? The premise is that you passed an 11 count 3-3-3-4.

If you open this 1♣, ok, then you'll never have this problem.

For most of of us, this will end up being X now or X later. X now is safer. In IMPs, I'd say just let them win the part score and defend, but in MPs this is usually a loser.