[Walddk]

You are vulnerable against not with ...

♠ KQ104
♥ 8
♦ AKQ10
♣ AJ85

RHO opens a weak 2♥, you double, LHO passes and your partner responds 2NT (Lebensohl). What is your next bid?

Roland

[mike777]

3h
no problem yet.

[rogerclee]

3♥ seems clear on values. I want to be in 5m on a wide range of partner's hands, and if partner has an invitational hand with spades, this is clearly our best start.

[awm]

I think this is close between accepting the puppet to 3♣ and forcing to game. The spot cards convince me that this is a sufficiently "good 19" to force. Partner's range for the lebensohl bid is something like 0-8, but 5-8 should be more common than 0-4. And I might make 5m opposite the club king and a five-card minor suit and out.

[Edmunte1]

I'll try a second double, this should describe my hand well

Now seriously, some ideas:
- Partner will usually have 4 hearts;
- Considering that 2nt should be played as 0-7 on this position, there's a much bigger probability that partner will be a maximum rather than a minimum;
- Considering partner's shape, and adding that frequently partner has 4 hearts, and that often with 3433 hand will bid 2♠ (won't you?), it's an around 40% chance that partner will have a 5+ card minor

So the average hand for partner is a 4♥(432) 5-6 hcp count hand, and you should take your decision in front of that.

[TylerE]

I'll break the trend and just complete the relay. My hand isn't SO huge I'm that worried about missing a game if partner was intending to drop dead. From my experience doing something other than completing just tends to endplay partner in the bidding.

[mcphee]

3H, 100% clear. Even when partner is very weak I may well manage to make 4 of a minor on a 4-4 fit. To just complete the relay does not show the value of my hand and the cue shows a great 18 (19 usually).

[kenberg]

mcphee, on Sep 30 2008, 09:00 AM, said:

3H, 100% clear. Even when partner is very weak I may well manage to make 4 of a minor on a 4-4 fit. To just complete the relay does not show the value of my hand and the cue shows a great 18 (19 usually).

I take it that you are implicitly saying that if partner, over 3H, wants to play 5C he had better bid 5C since you will pass 4C. Personally, I'm fine with this. Is it how most would play?

[Walddk]

kenberg, on Sep 30 2008, 04:05 PM, said:

mcphee, on Sep 30 2008, 09:00 AM, said:

3H, 100% clear. Even when partner is very weak I may well manage to make 4 of a minor on a 4-4 fit. To just complete the relay does not show the value of my hand and the cue shows a great 18 (19 usually).

I take it that you are implicitly saying that if partner, over 3H, wants to play 5C he had better bid 5C since you will pass 4C. Personally, I'm fine with this. Is it how most would play?

I think so. 3♥ must show a great hand with ideal shape. If 4mi is all partner can come up with now, I pass. By the way, I agree that the hand is just too good for a relay-obeying 3♣.

Roland

[pclayton]

Wow kind of surprised with all the 3♥ votes. Are the 3♥ bidders passing 3N? Where's our source of tricks?

I kind of like 4♣. A relevant question should be what do the big club hands do; cue and then 4♣ or a direct 4♣ over 2N?

Either way, whatever shows a big hand with a lot of places to play is my choice.

[tbr]

This is a weird question, but can someone explain what the Lebensohl method involves? Thank you very much.

[pclayton]

tbr, on Sep 30 2008, 08:24 AM, said:

This is a weird question, but can someone explain what the Lebensohl method involves? Thank you very much.

Link to Leb

There are no weird (or stupid) questions around here, only answers that take a little bandwidth.

[Echognome]

pclayton, on Sep 30 2008, 08:07 AM, said:

Wow kind of surprised with all the 3♥ votes.

....

Either way, whatever shows a big hand with a lot of places to play is my choice.

Which I believe is 3♥....

[kgr]

pclayton, on Sep 30 2008, 06:07 PM, said:

I kind of like 4♣. A relevant question should be what do the big club hands do; cue and then 4♣ or a direct 4♣ over 2N?

Does 4♣ show a better hand then 3♦ and is 3♦ not a better bid then 4♣?

[P_Marlowe]

3D.

I dont mind 3H, but 3D gives partner a chance
to check out, and it showes roughly the same
strength, maybe a 5th diamond.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

P_Marlowe, on Oct 1 2008, 03:25 PM, said:

3D.

I dont mind 3H, but 3D gives partner a chance
to check out, and it showes roughly the same
strength, maybe a 5th diamond.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It maybe shows a 5. Diamond?
It maybe shows a 6. diamond and more or less promisses a 5.

Besides this, I think a much better approach would be if this shows a good hand for CLUBS, not a good hand for diamonds.

3 HEart gives partner a chance to check out at 4 in each minor, a small risk compared to the reward you may receive.

[Ant590]

3♥ planning on passing 3NT if 2NT could contain a stopper, else bid 4♣ over 3NT.

[helene_t]

Don't understand 4♣. Partner hasn't promised clubs. 4♣ does not say "if you have clubs I want to invite for 5♣". It says "whatever you have I am looking for 5♣".

The choice is between 3♣ and 3♥. I would bid 3♥.

[barryallen]

pclayton, on Sep 30 2008, 11:07 AM, said:

Wow kind of surprised with all the 3♥ votes. Are the 3♥ bidders passing 3N? Where's our source of tricks?

I kind of like 4♣. A relevant question should be what do the big club hands do; cue and then 4♣ or a direct 4♣ over 2N?

Either way, whatever shows a big hand with a lot of places to play is my choice.

How exactly are the 3♥ bidders passing 3NT? Just does not fit in with the rest of your analysis describing a very strong hand with something like 4144 or 4054.