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AKJxxx and two aces

Poll: your plan is (41 member(s) have cast votes)

your plan is

  1. pass (6 votes [14.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.63%

  2. not pass (35 votes [85.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.37%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-May-17, 20:37

Ax
AKJxxx
xxx
Ax

1♥-3♠*
3NT-4♥**

pd showed a bad splinter of spades. (10-12 hcp or so)

edit: read Han's post below (sorry for beign less than clear)
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Posted 2009-May-17, 20:45

Was 3NT serious or non-serious?
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Posted 2009-May-17, 20:46

3S showed any minimal splinter, 3NT asked, 4H showed spades.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 22:05

I would just bid 6H. Probably not recommended but I think 5C or 4S helps them too often with the lead.

edit: Just read the poll answers. Passing is LOL.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 23:57

6H seems clear.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 01:02

My plan is 'not pass'.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:23

The worst hand with 10 HCPS and a spade splinter is:
x,Qxxx,Qxxx,KQJx. And even with this nightmarehand they may lead a non diamond.

So passing is hopeless. So, to not give away the story, I bid 6 ♥.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:28

I'll check on the diamond problem starting with 4♠.

I'm not totally convinced we should be in 6, but I don't think there's a way to invite, so I'll have to simply bid it if the diamonds are stopped.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:36

lol @ this thread.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 08:42

I'm a "not pass"-er

Agree with Csaba.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 09:32

anyone for a 5♦ cuebid? =)
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Posted 2009-May-18, 10:06

If I'm bidding 6♥ here, I should probably just bid 6♥ over 3♠ (albeit missing the grand if pard has ♦ void.)

I don't get all the mocking, while I decided to bid before reading any comments, I didn't consider it a wtp at all. Do you blast, do you bid your cards honestly, do you bid 5♦, do you pass since the 5-level isn't even safe. I think it's a good problem. Especially since some 'somethings' might well be worse than doing nothing.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 12:20

jonottawa, on May 18 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

If I'm bidding 6♥ here, I should probably just bid 6♥ over 3♠ (albeit missing the grand if pard has ♦ void.)

Very good point IMO, missed that. It seems much superior to bid 6♥ right away, in fact.

jonottawa, on May 18 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

I don't get all the mocking, while I decided to bid before reading any comments, I didn't consider it a wtp at all.  Do you blast, do you bid your cards honestly, do you bid 5♦, do you pass since the 5-level isn't even safe. 

Not a good point IMO. Slam is quite likely to be good, other times it's on a finesse, and when it's not good it may depend on the lead - with the right lead often leading to 10 tricks only. Trying to stop in 5 seems misguided, and passing is really a failure to evaluate properly.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 12:26

And bidding 5♦ is silly, as partner is almost sure to just sign off over that. When you skip all suits but one, then raise yourself to slam, it won't take Isaac Newton to figure out what you were doing and thus what to lead.

I agree bidding 6♥ over 3♠ is a very good idea.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 13:21

I don't mind 5♦. I'm not 'almost sure' that pard will sign off, though I am 'almost sure' that if he does sign off he will have ♦ cards (since I asked him about ♣.) Might still go down, but probably not at trick 2.

If I blast 6♥ over 3♠ and pard has stiff ♦A and both black K's or a black KQ (and nothing else) I will be sick.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 08:20

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 09:21

Apollo81, on May 19 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.

Then why do you like 5♦? When someone cuebids then raises themself to slam over a signoff it's already suspicious (if he was for real he would bid keycard on such a hand). When it's in the highest possible suit to cuebid then it's like hanging a banner from your forehead that says I have nothing in diamonds.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 13:24

jdonn, on May 19 2009, 10:21 AM, said:

Apollo81, on May 19 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.

Then why do you like 5♦? When someone cuebids then raises themself to slam over a signoff it's already suspicious (if he was for real he would bid keycard on such a hand). When it's in the highest possible suit to cuebid then it's like hanging a banner from your forehead that says I have nothing in diamonds.

Ah! But maybe that's the ruse. The old bluff, counter bluff. Obviously screaming that you have nothing in diamonds is a ruse to get the opponents to underlead their diamond King into your A-Q and avoid a club lead at the same time. Brilliant!!!


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Posted 2009-May-19, 13:51

Partner had Q Qxxx AKxx J9xx. Slam isn't great but has chances.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 15:51

Apollo81, on May 19 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.

x / qxxx / kqxx / kqxx is a signoff? Not hardly.
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