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I don't have four hearts Worth action?

#21 User is offline   kenrexford 

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Posted 2009-May-20, 16:08

Cascade, on May 20 2009, 03:57 PM, said:

Cascade, on May 20 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

(3♠) ?

If you pass the auction continues:

(3♠) Pass (4♠) Pass;
(Pass) ?

I assume we are still passing?

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Posted 2009-May-20, 18:31

Yes we are passing and considering our lead.
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Posted 2009-May-20, 19:47

Cascade, on May 20 2009, 03:57 PM, said:

Cascade, on May 20 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

(3♠) ?

If you pass the auction continues:

(3♠) Pass (4♠) Pass;
(Pass) ?

I assume we are still passing?

Pass is still your friend :ph34r:
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Posted 2009-May-20, 20:04

Good news ...

You can beat 4♠

Bad news ...

The entire hand:

Scoring: MP

(3♠)Pass (4♠) Pass
(Pass) Pass


Should partner have acted over 4♠?
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Posted 2009-May-20, 22:15

Cascade, on May 20 2009, 07:04 PM, said:

Good news ...

You can beat 4♠

Bad news ...

The entire hand:

Dealer: East
Vul: None
Scoring: MP
♠  
♥ AQJ32
♦ QJ52
♣ JT72
♠ AQJ75
♥ T54
♦ K3
♣ Q98
♠ K986432
♥ 97
♦ 7
♣ K54
♠ T
♥ K86
♦ AT9864
♣ A63
(3♠)Pass (4♠) Pass
(Pass) Pass


Should partner have acted over 4♠?

I agree with 655321, North's pass was wrong.
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Posted 2009-May-20, 22:25

With whom were you playing Wayne? Someone from the non serious bridge club?
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Posted 2009-May-20, 22:29

The_Hog, on May 21 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

With whom were you playing Wayne? Someone from the non serious bridge club?

Which seat do you think is me?

At the club most (at the tables where I talked with players) were acting with the south hand so there was no problem for north.
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Posted 2009-May-20, 22:58

I suspect you held the South hand and passed as did most of us here.
The other question is, "Would they lead a C against 6H?"
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Posted 2009-May-20, 23:07

The_Hog, on May 21 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

I suspect you held the South hand and passed as did most of us here.
The other question is, "Would they lead a C against 6H?"

I didn't see many scores - we played it third - and didn't hear about anyone in 6♥.

Someone was in 6♦ making without a club lead.

You judged well. I was south and passed.

However I am not convinced that it is right for North to act over 4♠ with a six-loser 11 HCP hand.
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Posted 2009-May-20, 23:32

Cascade, on May 21 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

The_Hog, on May 21 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

I suspect you held the South hand and passed as did most of us here.
The other question is, "Would they lead a C against 6H?"

I didn't see many scores - we played it third - and didn't hear about anyone in 6♥.

Someone was in 6♦ making without a club lead.

You judged well. I was south and passed.

However I am not convinced that it is right for North to act over 4♠ with a six-loser 11 HCP hand.

I think he/she has to with this hand Wayne. Sure it is not a 100% safe action, but ....
You probably would have bid 6 something though.
I remember talking to burgess about something similar some years ago. He said you would have to take a weaker Nth hand into account if Nth acted. I don't think I would have the restraint.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 01:58

well, we BOTH had spade shortage after all :)
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Posted 2009-May-21, 08:16

The_Hog, on May 20 2009, 11:58 PM, said:

I suspect you held the South hand and passed as did most of us here.
The other question is, "Would they lead a C against 6H?"

Lead doesn't matter against 6♥ Ron.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 09:54

Partner certainly is a lot closer to acting than we were.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 11:24

jdonn, on May 21 2009, 10:54 AM, said:

Partner certainly is a lot closer to acting than we were.

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Posted 2009-May-21, 11:34

Not sure what the laughter's about. I think double on the North hand is clearcut.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 12:39

Yes I will say that's the least deserved LOL I have ever gotten, in fact maybe the first ever that was undeserved, and it itself deserves a LOL.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 12:46

I am curious where JLOL lands on this, as only "LOL" has been provided as to either person's options. The "LOL" suggests thinking South has a stronger argument for doubling/bidding than North, but it's hard to read laughter. LOL
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Posted 2009-May-21, 12:54

he's just trolling around... LOL (pun intended :rolleyes:)
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Posted 2009-May-21, 17:01

Hmm, my interpretation of the LOL is that "Partner certainly is a lot closer to acting than we were." is not a strong enough statement in favor of bidding.

i.e. North's double in fact is clearcut, but jdonn's statement could be read as saying that, while North is closer (than South) to having a bid, he still has a pass.

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Posted 2009-May-21, 18:03

Ok, I agree with the (obvious) passes for S.. as for North, I think that he should act if possible. How? Is this a double? or 4N?

I use 4N as any two suits, with double being 3 suits but, in this scenario, expecting a leave-in much of the time... obviously we hit a home run on this one if we double and manage to avoid 6♦ on a club lead. But this hand is awfully weak to take that action.. maybe it's my age showing, and I am not saying I wouldn't double... having seen all the hands, I can't be sure what I would do. But I have sympathy for the result at the table.
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