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The dreaded xxx again

Poll: The dreaded xxx again (30 member(s) have cast votes)

The dreaded xxx again

  1. Double (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  2. 2D (25 votes [83.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.33%

  3. 3S (stopper ask) (4 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

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#21 User is offline   pooltuna 

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Posted 2009-August-31, 10:34

neilkaz, on Aug 31 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

2♦ as this isn't strong enough for me to take more aggressive action. I am allowed to hold a max when I overcall.

This hand is not just about strength. It is about tricks if ♦ come in as they rate to do (i.e.>50% of the time) then you have 8 tricks in NT so partner needs only produce 1 more.
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Posted 2009-August-31, 12:12

pooltuna, on Aug 31 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

♠♠ So what if partner holds ♠Ax ♥Jxx ♦xxx ♣xxxxx I will make 2♦

That's a routine raise to 3♦.
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Posted 2009-August-31, 13:48

gnasher, on Aug 31 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Aug 31 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

♠♠ So what if partner holds ♠Ax ♥Jxx ♦xxx ♣xxxxx I will make 2♦

That's a routine raise to 3♦.

how about ♠Ax ♥Jxxx ♦Q ♣xxxxxx
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Posted 2009-August-31, 13:59

pooltuna, on Aug 31 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

gnasher, on Aug 31 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Aug 31 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

♠♠ So what if partner holds ♠Ax ♥Jxx ♦xxx ♣xxxxx I will make 2♦

That's a routine raise to 3♦.

how about ♠Ax ♥Jxxx ♦Q ♣xxxxxx

5-9 counts with spade stops and doubleton diamonds should be the main genre of hands that the 2♦ bidders should be concerned with.

Not so strange a hand is it?
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Posted 2009-August-31, 15:12

I think 2♦ is obvious. Those straining to get to get to 3NT aren't considering the scoring. At MP I'm mainly trying to go plus on this board...I think that's enough. At IMPs my considerations would be different. Besides, it's certainly not like 2♦ bars partner. I'm allowed to be max for my bid occasionally.
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Posted 2009-August-31, 15:21

Phil, on Aug 31 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Aug 31 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

gnasher, on Aug 31 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Aug 31 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

♠♠ So what if partner holds ♠Ax ♥Jxx ♦xxx ♣xxxxx I will make 2♦

That's a routine raise to 3♦.

how about ♠Ax ♥Jxxx ♦Q ♣xxxxxx

5-9 counts with spade stops and doubleton diamonds should be the main genre of hands that the 2♦ bidders should be concerned with.

Not so strange a hand is it?

And opponents letting us play 2♦ in our 9-card fit? Of course we may miss a 52% game if partner has a solid spade stop, heart help, and a doubleton diamond. But if you bid 3♠ you will get to many games that require partner's dubious spade stopper to hold, nothing bad to happen in hearts on the lead through my K, and diamonds coming in.
It really doesn't seem a difficult decision about which one of these two scenarios to risk.
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Posted 2009-August-31, 15:34

Given the alternatives - 2D, but I may bid 3D on the table.

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