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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-August-29, 05:11

♠J2
♥J10983
♦J754
♣K4

All vul, dealer west

(1♣)-X-(3♣)-ps
(ps)-X-(4♣)-ps
(ps)-X-(ps)-??

3♣ alerted as weak
4♣ alerted as "max"
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Posted 2009-August-29, 05:43

4♥ for sure
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Posted 2009-August-29, 09:04

would have bid 4H over 4C directly, now I bid 4H
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Posted 2009-August-29, 09:26

Another 4♥ bidder. PD is insisting for a reason, IMHO and I think we should prefer trying for our own game to passing.
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Posted 2009-August-29, 10:47

Jlall, on Aug 29 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

would have bid 4H over 4C directly, now I bid 4H

yep two doubles was enough to get me in there.
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Posted 2009-August-29, 11:18

Fluffy, on Aug 29 2009, 06:11 AM, said:

♠J2
♥J10983
♦J754
♣K4

All vul, dealer west

(1♣)-X-(3♣)-ps
(ps)-X-(4♣)-ps
(ps)-X-(ps)-??

3♣ alerted as weak
4♣ alerted as "max"

4♥
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Posted 2009-August-29, 11:49

Very strange not to bid 4♥ over 4♣.

After the double, it is a wtp. (5♥ is simply to rich.)
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Posted 2009-August-29, 13:46

Lol at RHO.

Agree with Justin.
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Posted 2009-August-29, 14:04

andy_h, on Aug 29 2009, 02:46 PM, said:

Lol at RHO.

Agree with Justin.

But wait!

If RHO is bidding 4♣ over our response to the double, shouldn't he do it right away?

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Posted 2009-August-29, 14:23

Phil, on Aug 29 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

andy_h, on Aug 29 2009, 02:46 PM, said:

Lol at RHO.

Agree with Justin.

But wait!

If RHO is bidding 4♣ over our response to the double, shouldn't he do it right away?

:P

Likely he was a misguided soul hoping to get to 3N if partner was strong :(
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Posted 2009-August-29, 18:50

all of you have better judgement than me :(



I though my hand would be more useful playing in clubs than hearts, but sadly ♣K wasn't onside so it was useless.

4♥ should normally make, althou you might screw up?. Anyway, I was dissapointed by opponents hands, exchanging ♣A for ♥Q would make my decision brilliant :P.
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Posted 2009-August-29, 19:33

Wouldn't occur to me to bid 4♥ on the previous round since the ♣K is my only significant value.

Now it wouldn't occur to me not to bid 4♥.
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Posted 2009-August-30, 00:09

Cascade, on Aug 30 2009, 03:33 AM, said:

Wouldn't occur to me to bid 4♥ on the previous round since the ♣K is my only significant value.

Then try to imagine partners possible hands:

♠ xxxx
♥ AQxx
♦ A109xx
♣ -

or

♠ KQxx
♥ Qxxx
♦ AKxxx
♣ -

or

♠ AQxx
♥ AQxx
♦ Kxxx
♣ x

or

♠ AQxxx
♥ Qxxx
♦ AKxx
♣ x

or

♠ Kxxx
♥ AKxx
♦ KQxx
♣ x

And these are all minimum hands. partner can easily have extras without being able to X 4♣.
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Posted 2009-August-30, 00:19

Fluffy, on Aug 30 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

all of you have better judgement than me :(

Dealer: ?????
Vul: ????
Scoring: Unknown
♠ Axxx
♥ AKxx
♦ AQ9x
♣ 10
♠ KQ9x
♥ xx
♦ Kxx
♣ Axxx
♠ 10xx
♥ Qx
♦ 10x
♣ QJxxxx
♠ Jx
♥ J10xxx
♦ Jxxx
♣ Kx
 


I though my hand would be more useful playing in clubs than hearts, but sadly ♣K wasn't onside so it was useless.

4♥ should normally make, althou you might screw up?. Anyway, I was lucky with the opponents hands. Exchanging the ♦K with the ♥Q would have made my decision downrigt silly. :D.

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Posted 2009-August-30, 00:25

How about:

♠ KTxx
♥ AKx
♦ A98xx
♣ Q

♠ Kxxx
♥ AKxx
♦ Axxx
♣ x

♠ Kxxx
♥ KQx
♦ AKT9x
♣ x

♠ AKxx
♥ Kxx
♦ AQxx
♣ xx

♠ KQxx
♥ Axxx
♦ AQxx
♣ x

These were the first few hands I got out of my simulator.
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Posted 2009-August-31, 00:25

Cascade, on Aug 30 2009, 01:25 AM, said:

How about:

♠ KTxx
♥ AKx
♦ A98xx
♣ Q

♠ Kxxx
♥ AKxx
♦ Axxx
♣ x

♠ Kxxx
♥ KQx
♦ AKT9x
♣ x

♠ AKxx
♥ Kxx
♦ AQxx
♣ xx

♠ KQxx
♥ Axxx
♦ AQxx
♣ x

These were the first few hands I got out of my simulator.


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♠J2
♥J10983
♦J754
♣K4

The first two hands you posted I don't think are worth a 2nd double, the double of 3♣, given partner could not bid. And even though 4♥ isn't good, both of them still have play for 4♥.

Hand 3 you want to be in 4♥.
Hand 4, give us the ten of diamonds and you want to be in 4♥.
Hand 5, again give us the ten of diamonds (or 10 of spades) and you want to be in 4♥.
And those hands are pessimistic hands, partner could (and probably does) have better hands than those for the double of 3♣.
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