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What do you do?

Poll: Your call: (21 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call:

  1. Pass (2 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  2. 4NT (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  3. 5 Diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 5 Hearts (18 votes [85.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.71%

  5. Something Else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2009-September-08, 17:16

Scoring: IMP

(p) - p - (1♠) - 2♠
(4♠) - p - (p) - X
(p) - ?


Italian national champion on your right, unknowns across and to your left, but generally assumed to be competant players.
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Posted 2009-September-08, 17:33

5H
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Posted 2009-September-08, 17:35

I have to put it a different way than Justin.

Five Hearts.
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Posted 2009-September-08, 18:20

Since there is an Italian national champion on my right I will bid 5♥.
Otherwise I would have bid 5♥ instead.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-September-08, 18:32

kenrexford, on Sep 8 2009, 06:35 PM, said:

I have to put it a different way than Justin.

Five Hearts.

Me too ... 5♥
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Posted 2009-September-08, 21:31

♥♥♥♥♥
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Posted 2009-September-08, 21:43

I bid what I have. I have the five of hearts, and 6 or 7 diamonds is too much.
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Posted 2009-September-09, 05:47

aguahombre, on Sep 8 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

I bid what I have. I have the five of hearts, and 6 or 7 diamonds is too much.

Just thinking, though. With the four of spades, is pass an option?
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Posted 2009-September-09, 06:33

After ruling out other lead directing choices I am left with 5H. 4NT not a practical option IMHO, and passing seems silly when we have zero defense. To me this dble says partner I wish to continue to compete, can you help me.
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Posted 2009-September-09, 07:36

Jlall, on Sep 8 2009, 06:33 PM, said:

5H

Oh you talked to the Lloyd's of London rep. Me too :)
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Posted 2009-September-09, 07:54

5 hearts against italian champions, five ♥ otherwise.
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Posted 2009-September-09, 08:08

kenrexford, on Sep 9 2009, 06:47 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 8 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

I bid what I have.  I have the five of hearts, and 6 or 7 diamonds is too much.

Just thinking, though. With the four of spades, is pass an option?

oops, who put that card there? But Partner doubled, so I would need the 8.
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Posted 2009-September-09, 08:14

aguahombre, on Sep 8 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

I bid what I have. I have the five of hearts, and 6 or 7 diamonds is too much.

Indeed, putting down the 'contract card' in dummy is good luck.

Actually, I have no idea if this is the case. I made it up a few months ago, but it seems like someone would have thought of this already, so I'm not sure :)
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Posted 2009-September-09, 08:18

sorry, Phil, it won't be in Dummy. That gem is best kept hidden as declarer.
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Posted 2009-September-09, 08:18

By the way, in a daydream, I was considering what a 4N call by pard would be instead of a 2nd double.
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Posted 2009-September-09, 08:44

Phil, on Sep 9 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 8 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

I bid what I have.  I have the five of hearts, and 6 or 7 diamonds is too much.

Indeed, putting down the 'contract card' in dummy is good luck.

Actually, I have no idea if this is the case. I made it up a few months ago, but it seems like someone would have thought of this already, so I'm not sure :)

Of course it is luck, this shows that at least you have 1 trump!

Phil, on Sep 9 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

By the way, in a daydream, I was considering what a 4N call by pard would be instead of a 2nd double.


This seems easy, just extra shape, not willing to play 4M X. The limit between X and 4NT is close
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Posted 2009-September-09, 08:55

Fluffy, on Sep 9 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

Phil, on Sep 9 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

By the way, in a daydream, I was considering what a 4N call by pard would be instead of a 2nd double.


This seems easy, just extra shape, not willing to play 4M X. The limit between X and 4NT is close

How is 4N different than 5m then?
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Posted 2009-September-09, 09:08

Phil, on Sep 9 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

How is 4N different than 5m then?

5m shows extra length in the minor. 4NT shows equal length, or extra length in the major if that's possible.
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Posted 2009-September-09, 09:37

gnasher, on Sep 9 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

Phil, on Sep 9 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

How is 4N different than 5m then?

5m shows extra length in the minor. 4NT shows equal length, or extra length in the major if that's possible.

This is what I had considered, but with all 5-5's I think we double. 6-6 is possible, but I think the best use is to show the extra major card as you state.
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Posted 2009-September-09, 19:33

Phil, on Sep 9 2009, 10:37 AM, said:

gnasher, on Sep 9 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

Phil, on Sep 9 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

How is 4N different than 5m then?

5m shows extra length in the minor. 4NT shows equal length, or extra length in the major if that's possible.

This is what I had considered, but with all 5-5's I think we double. 6-6 is possible, but I think the best use is to show the extra major card as you state.

How about # defensive tricks? Hands with A's, K's and less shape X, giving partner the opportunity to convert, while hands with lots of shape but KQJxxx - QJT9xx type suits for example bid 4NT.

[edit] oops misread the posts. Perhaps 4NT being more slammy and 5m as being more sacrificial.
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