[Fluffy]

♠K98732
♥A97
♦A
♣A62

NS Vul, MPs, South dealer

1♠-1NT (forcing)
??

if you try that 2♣ thingie partner will bid 2♠ are you raising it?

[billw55]

I would just bid 2♠.

[maggieb]

Definitely 2♣ instead of 2♠, also definitely pass partner's preference.

[jdonn]

I don't see how anything is definite, but 2♣ is a fair choice especially since it helps if you belong in hearts. Over partner's preference I think it's very close between pass and 3♥ (for me definitely a 3 card suit, I wouldn't bid 2♣ on 5404). I'll lean to bidding because of the good controls.

[cherdanno]

jdonn, on Nov 2 2009, 02:37 PM, said:

I don't see how anything is definite, but 2♣ is a fair choice especially since it helps if you belong in hearts. Over partner's preference I think it's very close between pass and 3♥ (for me definitely a 3 card suit, I wouldn't bid 2♣ on 5404). I'll lean to bidding because of the good controls.

I don't understand 3♥. We have found our fit, and when we are inviting game we should tell partner about it. He will be much better placed to make a decision when he thinks we have a 6xx4 or 6xx3 16-count, rather than a 5314 17-18 count.

[Phil]

I think this is a fairly routine 2♠ call. You'd have to weaken my spades or strengthen my clubs to consider 2♣.

I hope no one suggests 3♠.

[Hanoi5]

3♥ sounds interesting but I just thought about 3♠ (after 2♣-2♠, of course).

[pooltuna]

Fluffy, on Nov 2 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

♠K98732
♥A97
♦A
♣A62

NS Vul, MPs, South dealer

1♠-1NT (forcing)
??

if you try that 2♣ thingie partner will bid 2♠ are you raising it?

since F1NT I would go slow with 2♣ planning on 3♥/2  and 3♠/2♠ over 2♦ haven't decided if 2♠ or 3♦ is best

Edit -- Not being able to see the hand while posing I must have thought the hand was 6333

[pooltuna]

Phil, on Nov 2 2009, 02:55 PM, said:

I think this is a fairly routine 2♠ call. You'd have to weaken my spades or strengthen my clubs to consider 2♣.

I hope no one suggests 3♠.

I would rather bid 3♠ than 2♠

[jdonn]

cherdanno, on Nov 2 2009, 02:46 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 2 2009, 02:37 PM, said:

I don't see how anything is definite, but 2♣ is a fair choice especially since it helps if you belong in hearts. Over partner's preference I think it's very close between pass and 3♥ (for me definitely a 3 card suit, I wouldn't bid 2♣ on 5404). I'll lean to bidding because of the good controls.

I don't understand 3♥. We have found our fit, and when we are inviting game we should tell partner about it. He will be much better placed to make a decision when he thinks we have a 6xx4 or 6xx3 16-count, rather than a 5314 17-18 count.

I don't think that's true at all. He will go back to spades anyway with four hearts so I see no reason not to tell him where his values will be useful or to help him bid 3NT if he thinks it's best. I think the argument about showing 1 more card vs 3 more cards applies here.

[cherdanno]

I think our most likely game is 4♠, but partner will be very hesitant to bid that unless you show him we have 6 spades. He may go back to 3♠ rather than bidding 4.

[mike777]

I would try 2c here, BART may help now.


Now over 2s by pard I will try 3s.


Pass second choice.

Pard will have around 4-7 with 3spades or up to 9 highs with 2 spades.

[dellache]

Fluffy, on Nov 2 2009, 06:43 PM, said:

♠K98732
♥A97
♦A
♣A62

NS Vul, MPs, South dealer

1♠-1NT (forcing)
??

if you try that 2♣ thingie partner will bid 2♠ are you raising it?

No, I pass, I'm glad with that at MP. I hate stiff Aces.
BTW that's why I play some kind of gazzilli on those sequences.

[Fluffy]

Phil, on Nov 2 2009, 07:55 PM, said:

I hope no one suggests 3♠.

I do, but if not vulnerable. The reason is I gladly open 1♠ with 10 HCP not vulnerable, but I do open 2♠ vulnerable sometimes with 11.

Wich means different ranges, and too wide to bid 2♠ then.

[jdonn]

I'm with Phil that 3♠ is lol. It doesn't matter how light you open since you will just go down in 3♠ a lot, especially with a suit this awful if partner has a singleton. Besides it's clear 2♠ should have a wider range than 3♠ since you have room for further invites over 2♠.

[Fluffy]

yeah but 10-15 its not 12-15.

[Jlall]

2C is fine

[jdonn]

Fluffy, on Nov 2 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

yeah but 10-15 its not 12-15.

You have 15

Actually 10-15 and 16-18 (approximately) are perfect because then everything is a 3 point range. Partner can invite over 2♠ so your ranges are 10-12, 13-15, 16-18.

[Fluffy]

I prefer 12-15 and 16-17 for 2 point range hehe

[nigel_k]

2♣ and pass 2♠. Quite close to another move playing standard but not if using Bart as he'll bid 2♦ on the hands that are normally a maximum 2♠ preference.