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4♠ at these colors.
At vulnerable I'd bid 3♠. I don't think the round jacks are contributing much, and AKJTxxx and out is a normal red 3-level preempt for me.
What's your opening bid? And plan?
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Posted 2009-December-03, 13:21
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Posted 2009-December-03, 13:24
How many voids can you have in "out"?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-December-03, 14:39
why is 3 spades so terrible?
I think 4 spades will probably be apssed out and we will be down 1, and there is no assurance the opponents can make a game contract.
I think 4 spades will probably be apssed out and we will be down 1, and there is no assurance the opponents can make a game contract.
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Posted 2009-December-03, 14:43
They pay a bonus for making game, you know.
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Posted 2009-December-03, 15:14
jdonn, on Dec 3 2009, 03:43 PM, said:
They pay a bonus for making game, you know.
And partner is not allowed to make any call but pass after 3♠?
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Posted 2009-December-03, 15:53
4♠ for me, alternative: 1♠.
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Posted 2009-December-03, 16:55
Mostly it depends on partner's expectations.
If partner expects something like AKTxxxx of spades for a 3♠ opening, then this hand is only a bit better than the expectation. Sure, you have a void in diamonds (which might or might not be helpful depending on partner's diamond holding) and you have some stray jacks. But this hand will not be very far from what partner plays you for. Most of the times that 4♠ makes (or 6♠ makes) partner will bid it. When partner passes 3♠, you expect to win more than you lose.
The problem is that most of us open 3♠ with much worse hands than this one at NV. For this reason, if we do open 3♠ on this hand partner will often pass with hands that make game (or bid 4♠ with hands that make slam). So we have to bid the game in order to protect our score. There is some risk in this obviously, but it also puts more pressure on the opponents.
If partner expects something like AKTxxxx of spades for a 3♠ opening, then this hand is only a bit better than the expectation. Sure, you have a void in diamonds (which might or might not be helpful depending on partner's diamond holding) and you have some stray jacks. But this hand will not be very far from what partner plays you for. Most of the times that 4♠ makes (or 6♠ makes) partner will bid it. When partner passes 3♠, you expect to win more than you lose.
The problem is that most of us open 3♠ with much worse hands than this one at NV. For this reason, if we do open 3♠ on this hand partner will often pass with hands that make game (or bid 4♠ with hands that make slam). So we have to bid the game in order to protect our score. There is some risk in this obviously, but it also puts more pressure on the opponents.
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Posted 2009-December-03, 17:43
1 or 4. I believe in calling a spade a spade, so One Spade for me. With the boss suit, there is no need to pre-empt, and 4S often just gets doubled and they pass as they cannot think of anything else to do. I was tempted to "report" those that opened 3S, but it appears that it only gets to the site moderators, and they do little about it.
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lamford, on Dec 3 2009, 11:43 PM, said:
I was tempted to "report" those that opened 3S, but it appears that it only gets to the site moderators, and they do little about it.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-December-03, 19:23
Red/white 3S is fine for me since my partner will expect a good hand. It's still a max obv but I like it then.
White/red I like 4S a lot, we might miss a slam but we put tons of pressure on them.
I do not think it is wrong to say that white/white anything but 4S or 1S is a joke even if you would open 3S red/white though. I would say that anything but 3S or 1S is a joke if it were red/white.
White/red I like 4S a lot, we might miss a slam but we put tons of pressure on them.
I do not think it is wrong to say that white/white anything but 4S or 1S is a joke even if you would open 3S red/white though. I would say that anything but 3S or 1S is a joke if it were red/white.
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Posted 2009-December-03, 21:05
4S. Agree that 3S is a joke.
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Posted 2009-December-03, 23:13
I agree that 3S is a joke. But maybe partner with the spade q and four other tricks will not appreciate the joke when I bid 4S. silly her for counting to twelve
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Posted 2009-December-04, 02:13
Hanoi5, on Dec 3 2009, 03:24 PM, said:
Say you open 1♠, what's your rebid over partner's forcing 1NT? What about over 2♣ F.G.?
I am unaccustomed to 2-over-1, but:
On 1NT: 4♠
On 2♣(GF): 2♠. If partner is forward-going with clubs, I have a huge hand.
Over a 2♦-bid, I would bid 4♠ .
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