[dosxtres]

What is considered standard?

Playing NMF or something similar.

a)
1♣ 1♠
1N 3♠

Standard Sayc-2/1 is 3♠ = Non forcing Invitational with 6♠+ ?

1♣ 1♠
1N 2♦ (NMF)
2N 3♠ Game forcing with 6♠+ ?

c)
1♣ 1♠
1N 3♣ Invitational, non forcing?

d)
1♣ 1♥
1♠ 3♥ Non forcing, Invitational?

e)
1♣ 1♥
1♠ 2♦ (NMF)
2N 3♠ Game forcing?

f)
1♣ 1♥
1n 2♦ (NMF)
2n 3♣ Game forcing?


Do you think that the jump rebid over 1N is better as Slam Try rather than invitational and then, after NMF, the 3 rebid as invitational non forcing?


Ty in advance.

[whereagles]

"Jump rebid = inv, to force use 3rd/4th suit forcing" is one possible approach, yes. It has the merit of telling GF hands from invitational ones (if nothing else, lol..).

[skjaeran]

a) Prefer 3♠ as forcing (slammish)

c) Prefer 3♣ as 55 GF

d) I play 3♥ as NF inv

e) 2♦ is GF for me

f) 2♦ is GF for me, 3♣ is natural with 4-4 (or 5-4).

I don't play NMF, rather the xy-NT (a kind of 2-way NMF). I prefer jump rebids by responder to be strong and all invites to go through 2♣.

[mike777]

dosxtres, on Dec 4 2009, 07:47 AM, said:

What is considered standard?

Playing NMF or something similar.

a)
1♣   1♠
1N       3♠  

Standard Sayc-2/1 is 3♠ = Non forcing Invitational with 6♠+ ?

1♣  1♠
1N      2♦ (NMF)
2N      3♠ Game forcing with 6♠+ ?

c)
1♣   1♠
1N       3♣ Invitational, non forcing?

d)
1♣   1♥
1♠   3♥   Non forcing, Invitational?

e)
1♣   1♥
1♠   2♦ (NMF)
2N       3♠  Game forcing?

f)
1♣   1♥
1n        2♦ (NMF)
2n        3♣ Game forcing?


Do you think that the jump rebid over 1N is better as Slam Try rather than invitational and then, after NMF, the 3 rebid as invitational non forcing?


Ty in advance.

Alternative take a look at XYZ threads here in the forum.


After 1x1y1z a simple form is:

2cforces 2d now you pass or start an invitational sequence.

2d=game force checkback

3c=weakish with long clubs

3d 3h or 3s rebid=natural and game force.

Your examples, C is weakish , all others are game forcing.

Note after starting 1x1y1z you can never play in 2c.

[aguahombre]

In the traditional 2/1 the answers to all your questions are YES.

Others have made revisions which work for them, but they are revisions. Your question "what is standard?" is confusing. NMF in some form and 4SF have been incorporated into styles other than 2/1. I can only answer re: the old Walsh/Hardy 2/1.

[dosxtres]

Thank you for your answeres.

I know xyz and I like it, but no many people play it.

What I want to know is if you start to play and agree to play sayc or 2/1 without further discussions.

Then, jumps usually are weak and invitational?
Can we consider there is an standard or not? Each one plays in his own way?

1♣ 1♠
1N 3♠ What do u think about this bid without discussion? Invitational o slamish?


1♣ 1♠
1n 3♣ Invitational or slamish?

Some agree that over 1N rebid, jumps are slamish, other not.
I think it should be something considered standard?
Maybe, if you play Fast arrival principle, they can be considered invitational because of that?


When the opener doesn't rebid 1n, I think there is more consensus about invitational jumps, but not sure if it is considered standard by default.

1♦ 1♠
2♣ 3♠ I think usually people play it invitational, is it?

[aguahombre]

Again, speaking only to the traditional 2/1:

Your first two follow-up examples are invitational -- after the 1NT rebid (something like 10-12). Slammish hands go through NMF.

After a suit rebid, as in your third one -- there is less uniformity. Some partnerships must go thru 4SF for slam.