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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2010-November-11, 15:29

IMPs (but say so if it makes a difference)
our side vulnerable, RHO is dealer.

♠AK762
♥9
♦KQ862
♣J8


(1♦)-1♠-(pass)-2♣
(pass)-??
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Posted 2010-November-11, 15:31

Yup, 2♦ wtp... Should be natural here IMO
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Posted 2010-November-11, 21:01

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Posted 2010-November-11, 22:40

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2010-November-11, 15:31, said:

Yup, 2♦ wtp... Should be natural here IMO


Umm...no.
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Posted 2010-November-12, 16:47

so what would you rebid?
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Posted 2010-November-12, 17:09

Without discussion I bid 2NT. But it would be nice if I were allowed to bid 2♦ with this hand - not to show diamonds but just to show some life and allowing p to bid 2♠ with a minimum and doubleton support.
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Posted 2010-November-12, 17:37

2♦ would be a cuebid for me. I try 3♣. I clearly have too much to pass.
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Posted 2010-November-12, 18:07

Is 2♣ forcing? If yes, then 2♦, though I don't think it can/should be natural.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-November-12, 21:03

2♦ is NOT natural unless agreed so, my choices either 2♠ or 3♣, 2♦ as cue is a little overbid but sounds better than 2 NT to me. I don't think 2 NT is an option with stiff in unbid suit.

2♠ will be a 1 card lie about spades, 3♣ also 1 card lie about ♣, one of them keeps me at 2 level (at least for now) but club suit is at least 5-2 while spades can be 5-1 or 5-0. But with stiff or void in my suit pd must have a good reason to bid. I wish i had a partnership agreement that allows natural 2♦ bid for this hand, but it would be an agrement that aims small target.

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Posted 2010-November-13, 04:56

I am for a pass. If partner is stronger, he would rebid 2di to check my overcall, and when he is a general MF. So now he has around 10nish with 5(6) clubs and possible 4th heart.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 08:36

What makes this a strong overcall?
Partner heard 1S. He said 2C -- not some strong suggestion. Let 2C play.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 14:22

View Postdake50, on 2010-November-13, 08:36, said:

What makes this a strong overcall?
Partner heard 1S. He said 2C -- not some strong suggestion. Let 2C play.

What makes this a weak overcall? Say the overcall range is 6-16. Does 13 not sound towards the upper end? What would partner have bid with xx/AKxx/x/AKQxx? Not good enough spades for a cue bid or jump shift; no stopper for 3NT; pass is just not an option here. I suppose you probably play some system where a cue bid is strength-showing rather than an UCB. Trouble is your partner probably isn't.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 15:38

Zelandakh,
Yes, I do have a GI+ forcing bid.
Freeing other bids to NOT FORCE -- EG. 2C here.
Yup, a maximum (over-the-max to me) 2C might find 3NT.
Do you expect max for partner's bids?
I do not.
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Posted 2010-November-15, 08:20

partner had

♠Qx
♥AKx
♦10xx
♣K108xx

2♣ made 10 tricks on our table, no game was making on perfect defence.
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Posted 2010-November-15, 12:16

While I certainly prefer to overcall in these situations this may be the exception where an initial pass over 1 ♦ is best.
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Posted 2010-November-15, 13:44

View Postpooltuna, on 2010-November-15, 12:16, said:

While I certainly prefer to overcall in these situations this may be the exception where an initial pass over 1 ♦ is best.

Right, because nobody likes bidding a 5 card spade suit to the AK, with an opening hand.
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