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#1 User is offline   l milne 

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Posted 2010-November-13, 01:17

JTxxxxxxx
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Jx

(1♣)-?

IMPS, all vul. Yes, nine.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 01:20

4S Just because you don't get to hold a 9 carder all that often.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 02:24

With a totally topless suit, I settle for 3♠, but 4♠ may work well.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 02:42

VUL @ IMPs both opps and partner are likely to try to reach game.

So I'll bid 4♠.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 04:11

3♠ just
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Posted 2010-November-13, 04:12

4S.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 04:49

View Postl milne, on 2010-November-13, 01:17, said:

IMPS, all vul. Yes, nine. JTxxxxxxx T x Jx
(1♣)-?
IMO 4♠ = 10, 3♠ = 8, _P = 6, 2♠ = 5.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 05:49

My first thought was 3♠, but I guess 4 could be the winning bid.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2010-November-13, 06:54

4♠ WTFP?
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Posted 2010-November-13, 08:27

4♠, I'll use the hog's reasoning if I have to explain it to someone. Although we rate to be going for a fairly large number, often the opponents will be forced to guess, and will guess wrong.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 08:39

I suspect 4S gets opponents to Key-ask and guess which suit.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 09:12

3.5♠ wtp?

Blah, 4S and make em guess.



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Posted 2010-November-13, 11:54

I have no idea what is right.

However I feel that there is a major partnership issue if you bid 4♠ and your partnership has standards or expectations that this is rule of two (or whatever your standards might be).

If partner takes any action after you bid 4♠ you can be fairly sure that she will be disappointed in your hand.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 12:22

I think 4♠ is the right amount of risk/"make opps guess" level. 3♠ is a "bawk bawk" bid IMO as with ♠Ax and trash held by partner you are a favorite to make 3♠
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Posted 2010-November-13, 12:58

View Postpooltuna, on 2010-November-13, 12:22, said:

I think 4♠ is the right amount of risk/"make opps guess" level. 3♠ is a "bawk bawk" bid IMO as with ♠Ax and trash held by partner you are a favorite to make 3♠


Partner is a big underdog to have ♠ Ax
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Posted 2010-November-14, 20:24

View PostCascade, on 2010-November-13, 11:54, said:

If partner takes any action after you bid 4♠ you can be fairly sure that she will be disappointed in your hand.



You're not happy with (1♣)-4♠-(5♣)-X? I would be.

Even if partner raises as a sacrifice, our 9 trumps mean we are probably going down less than she expects (assuming there is some spade support opposite when she raises).

If partner is expected me to have a couple of defensive tricks for my preempt, agree about the partnership issue.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 21:22

View Postl milne, on 2010-November-14, 20:24, said:

You're not happy with (1♣)-4♠-(5♣)-X? I would be.
Even if partner raises as a sacrifice, our 9 trumps mean we are probably going down less than she expects (assuming there is some spade support opposite when she raises). If partner is expected me to have a couple of defensive tricks for my preempt, agree about the partnership issue.
If partner doubles with a ♠ shortage, she may be disappointed that opponents have no ♠ loser.
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Posted 2010-November-15, 03:42

View PostOleBerg, on 2010-November-13, 06:54, said:

4♠ WTFP?

Agree with this.
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Posted 2010-November-15, 04:46

View Postwyman, on 2010-November-13, 09:12, said:

5♠ wtp?

Blah, 4S and make em guess.


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