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Posted 2010-November-18, 11:35


Pairs, I believe a Sim Pairs, South is a poor player. You bid 5? Most do, but this South did not. She passed, and partner made an overtrick.

Turns out that 3, natural and game forcing without an alert, is weak. East said he had been told it was not alertable.

South says she would have bid 5 if East had alerted.

Do you adjust?
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Posted 2010-November-18, 12:02

I will ask South why she didn't bid 5 on the actual auction. But assuming she says something like she thought LHO had lots of high cards so there might be too many losers then yes, I would adjust. The failure to alert is MI (I am assuming this took place in England although I can't see this anywhere despite constant pleas to posters to state where they are posting from), and I find it quite plausible that a poor player would bid 5 if told that LHO was weak but not when assuming LHO is strong.

Edit: I see the original subtitle does indeed state England. For some reason this does not appear to be visible when replying to a post :( .
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Posted 2010-November-18, 12:12

That's one reason I tend to use fast reply. You can still see the "description" line in the original post. :)

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Posted 2010-November-18, 14:58

View PostWellSpyder, on 2010-November-18, 12:02, said:

... assuming she says something like she thought LHO had lots of high cards so there might be too many losers then yes, I would adjust.
Seems reasonable, whether or not she is a weak player.
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Posted 2010-November-18, 17:08

I'm bidding 5C, and I'd be *more likely* to bid 5C if 3D is strong (make 'em decide game/slam and diamonds/spades at the 5 level) than if weak (where 5 could easily be a phantom). Yes, if 3D is weak, partner is more likely to be stronger (he wouldn't be bidding on AQxxxxxx and out, trying for a lead-director and "can't bid 3NT now"), but that doesn't mean that there's enough here for 11 tricks unless partner's short/AQ or better in hearts.

But I'm as good as I am, and I know many poor players who would pass 4C and then bid 5 over West's 4S, and think she's brilliant. For those people, I do believe that they think that if West doesn't have the points, partner must, and that 5C is makeable. I also think that while it is conveeeenient that South gets to/has to wait until the end of the hand to say she'd bid 5H, it's not like she did anything wrong, and clearly (even if non-obviously) East did.

If South wasn't poor, however, sorry. You were misinformed, but 5C is obvious with the explanation you were given.
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Posted 2010-November-20, 10:29

I agreed with the TD who phoned me to consult that we should adjust.
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