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Are these FG 2 Clubs openings? Or not?

#21 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2010-December-09, 20:26

1. 1. I think its extreme and misleading to call this a balanced 22-23, but some would.

2. Can I 2 - 2 - 3N with a hand like this?

3. Completely obvious 2 opener.

3. Completely obvious 1 opener.
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Posted 2010-December-10, 20:36

1- I prefer to open 1 playing gazilli otherwise 2 . Even if pd response to 1 it will be messy without gazilli.My pd opens this 2

2- Definetely 2 for me, as Phil said 3 NT looks more appealing than 4.

3- 2, but we have to let partner know we opened it with tricks instead of loaded hcps. I open 2 and bid 4 over 2.

4- To me this is 1. I like the low path when suit is minor.
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Posted 2010-December-19, 15:05

View PostHanoi5, on 2010-December-08, 15:04, said:

The first hand could be a choice from three:

A7
KQJ865
AK
K95

This is more likely to be a 2 opening, but then how do you treat it? Do you have a special sequence for this kind of hands?

A6
AKQT98
A6
K75

Finally two which are pretty similar:

AKJT9842
5
A8
A5

A7
5
AJ
AKT9xxxx

Can you elaborate why you would/wouldn't consider each of these hands a 2 opening bid? Would the conditions (vulnerability, seat, scoring, partner) affect your decision?


A strong 2C bid is defined as a balanced 22+ or a suit oriented hand that can take at least one trick below game on your own with about four defensive tricks. The first two hands are not a strong 2C bid. Clearly, if partner could contribute one trick for you game would not be cold.
If fact, in many cases you would need a little luck. However, if partner has a minimum response game would be more or less cold.
The third hand qualifies for a strong 2C bid because if you would expect to make at least nine tricks in spades.
The fourth hand doesn't qualify for a strong 2C bid because you can't make at least ten tricks in clubs on your own.

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Posted 2010-December-19, 16:08

Clear 2 on the first three. Clear 1 on the last IMO.

No rebid problems on the first two, and the third is just a powerhouse.

The fourth has no fear of being passed out in 1, and isn't enough for a 2 opening anyway.
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Posted 2010-December-19, 16:30

I would open all of them at the 1-level unless I was playing Acol 2s (2H - 2S neg - 2NT on both the first two, a 2NT opening with a 6-card heart suit).

If I had no way of showing a forcing 3M rebid after 1M - 1NT I might think differently, but I do, so I don't.
I play 2C as game forcing (other than 2C - 2D - 2NT) and the heart hands are not worth driving to game opposite nothing.

The closest to a 2C opening is the spade hand which clearly is worth game, but it is sufficiently light on high cards that 1S feels more descriptive.
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Posted 2010-December-19, 17:00

In Romex, the first two qualify for a 1NT opening (4-5 losers, 18-21 HCP, 6+ controls), the other two would be opened at the one level.
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Posted 2010-December-22, 05:54

Some interesting differences of opinion.
For the first 2 hands I can't envisage making game if partner passed a 1 open, so as that is my definition of a 2 bid then these open 1. Any seat or vulnerability. You must have a GF continuation, though (I start with Gazzilli and if partner just signs off, bid game).

The third I would open 2 to avoid missing game, and all I want to know is whether partner has any tricks for the slam, so 2 is perfect. I would also open 2 if the J was the 3.

The last hand would have me going into a trance for a while. I don't like 2 because I don't want to force to the 4 level, I don't like a gambling 3NT because partner will undoubtedly bid 4, so I will open 1, and see where it goes.
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Posted 2010-December-22, 15:26

1st and 2nd hand: 1 unless you play 2 as GF or a semiforcing in a major.

3rd hand: This I would open 2. I have game in my hand.

4th hand: Okay 4 is no game but 9.5 tricks is too much for 1 so I open two.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 22:28

First hand is clear cut case, second one...ok depends on style; i would open 2C but then again thats me:). Fourth one is obviously not u lack both tricks and strength. Thrid one is not 2C opening; why not? because u hand lacks defence. U have 2 outside aces, what do u do when prd dbls 5H bid advocating weak hand and warning u not to bid anymore.?
Third hand is 1C opening and fourth hand is textbook namyats some sort.
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