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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2011-January-11, 09:29



I'll post some follow-ups later.

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Posted 2011-January-11, 09:59

Good problem. I'll go with double. There's certainly a danger that partner will pass when he shouldn't but everything else I could bid seems to have bigger flaws. If he does pull I think I'm in reasonable shape.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 10:11

 mike gill, on 2011-January-11, 09:59, said:

Good problem. I'll go with double. There's certainly a danger that partner will pass when he shouldn't but everything else I could bid seems to have bigger flaws. If he does pull I think I'm in reasonable shape.


I agree with this as I am not wild about 4♦, 4♥, or 4♣ calls.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 10:28

I double, if the follow up is to pick a lead I will have to live with it
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Posted 2011-January-11, 10:32

4♦

What I will not do is DOUBLE.
I rather commit the hand to slam.

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Posted 2011-January-11, 10:31

I like 4♦ I want to play this, not defend.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 11:06

I'll try 4♥, which will hopefully have reasonable play, and will probably be the best option for getting us to a decent slam. I don't like double at all, although maybe after 4♠ from LHO it will leave us well placed for a 4N call... Nice problem.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 12:18

IMO, it's a toss up between 4♦ / 4♥. I slighly prefer the former call because it gets the ♣ length into the picture and pard may still bid 4♥ over it...
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Posted 2011-January-11, 12:23

I think that 4D is terrible and 4H is worse. 4H is a huge underbid and basically only keeps one suit in play. While diamonds is less likely to be our best fit, 4D does stress our good clubs and keeps every suit in play. It also isn't an underbid.

The only alternative is double. I'll just have to figure out if double is better or worse than terrible.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 14:37

 han, on 2011-January-11, 12:23, said:

The only alternative is double. I'll just have to figure out if double is better or worse than terrible.

Once you've figured it out , I hope you will let us know.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 15:14

Dbl seems canonical. For all we know, pard can be 4432 and 6 hcp or so...
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Posted 2011-January-12, 12:34

If I make a really slow X, do you think partner will figure out I want him to pull?

If I bid a suit it's 4♥, I would guess 4 of a minor will only get us to hearts when partner has 6, even though they'll frequently have 5. I don't want to defend, but X gives us the best chance of finding the best contract should partner pull, so I bid that.

Lefty could be raising spades as well, so even if we X we might have a chance to bid 4NT after... X-4♠-P-P-?
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Posted 2011-January-12, 13:00

 kayin801, on 2011-January-12, 12:34, said:

If I make a really slow X, do you think partner will figure out I want him to pull?

If I bid a suit it's 4♥, I would guess 4 of a minor will only get us to hearts when partner has 6, even though they'll frequently have 5. I don't want to defend, but X gives us the best chance of finding the best contract should partner pull, so I bid that.

Lefty could be raising spades as well, so even if we X we might have a chance to bid 4NT after... X-4♠-P-P-?


It's funny you mention Lefty. I have the hand record now, and I'm going to try to create likely actions by LHO:

By the way,

If you double (and you agree that it is 100% takeout):

Spoiler


If you bid 4♦:

Spoiler


If you bid 4♠ (what actually happened at the table :blink:)

Spoiler

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Posted 2011-January-12, 13:16

5NT. Yes I know how horrible a bid that is.
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Posted 2011-January-12, 13:35

Agree with double. Unlike some doubles I'm not that worried about partner passing this one. It's not like he'd just pass it with 3433 which he would in some other auctions. Yeah I guess some hands with 4 spades will pass rather than bid 3N, but if partner has a hand like that where is the guarantee that me bidding anything will work out? What am I even supposed to bid if I don't double, I don't even know
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Posted 2011-January-12, 14:39

That's interesting, why doesn't he pass with 3433 and a shaky/nonexistent stopper?
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Posted 2011-January-12, 14:54

 mfa1010, on 2011-January-12, 13:16, said:

5NT. Yes I know how horrible a bid that is.

Here is my horrible bid:
Meckwell 4NT! = Voidwood-RKC for ♥, excluding the ♠A ( because 4S! would be ordinary RKC for ♥)

That way if LHO raises to 5S, we have DOPI; or if he DBLs, we have ROPI.
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Posted 2011-January-12, 15:00

I'm quite confident Meckwell wouldn't want their name on that bid if used for this hand.

I still hate my 4♥ call, and am leaning towards X, seems to leave us better placed later, and LHO does rate to be raising quite often.
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Posted 2011-January-12, 15:05

After my dbl and LHO's 4♠ pass pass, I'll try 4NT, which I'm pretty sure my pet pard will take as a 46 in the minors.
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Posted 2011-January-12, 15:43

 gwnn, on 2011-January-12, 14:39, said:

That's interesting, why doesn't he pass with 3433 and a shaky/nonexistent stopper?


Because he expects to be opposite a 1345 shape, and knows that most/all of his high cards are working in offence.
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