[ajm218]

Playing 2/1 - weak only multi and constructive twos in a teams match scored by aggregate

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1st in favourable

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[whereagles]

1. 3♠. Maybe 4 if I feel lucky.

2. 3♠. Maybe 2 if the board before went bad, ahah.

3. 4♣. I would prefer 4♥ if I was pretty sure pard would take it as 5 cards and club tolerance. Lacking such certainty, 4♣ it is.

[Fluffy]

3♠, 3♠, 4♠

the 2 first ebcause I consider the 4 card suit as a good extra.

[bd71]

1. Pass. Agreement with partner is not to pre-empt with an outside 4-card major, and I'll stick to that discipline.

2. 3♠. Vulnerability suggests caution, added distribution suggests some additional leeway, so they balance out to a normal 3-level pre-empt with this hand.

3. 4♠. We have a shot at a vul game, so must bid 4S or 5C. No science to it, but gut feel is that Moysian should play better to lose 3 than clubs will to lose 2.

[whereagles]

I don't fancy the moysian on 3rd hand because I'd have to ruff with top honors.

[paulg]

1. 4♠
2. 3♠ - very close to four, but I'd prefer the ♠J for that.
3. 5♣

[mtvesuvius]

1. 4♠ - Favourable 7-4? Definitely 4...
2. 3♠ - Not many other options for me at this Vul.
3. 4♦ which I think should be a choice of games (between ♣, ♥, ♠)

[Phil]

1 and 2 - 4♠ and 3♠ look routine.

3 is tricky. If partner is 4135, then 6♣ is in the hunt opposite some good minimums - Kxxx x xxx AKJxx. If partner is 4234, then we have to tread carefully. 4♦, is a choice of games cue, and I'll hear about a doubleton heart I think. I'm interested on what others think partner's follow-up is with a hand like KJxx xx xxx AKJx.

4♣ is a strong 2nd choice, although I'm unsure if its forcing. Even if it were, I have a later problem of interpreting partner's subsequent 4♥ call. 4♦ seems like a good hedge unless our follow-ups are very well discussed.

[MickyB]

3S, 3S, 5C. On the first our heart length reduces their chances of having game on and on the second we have a poor suit at unfavourable, it's closer to being a two-level opening than 4S IMO. As an aside, do you really still play bad multi/good weak twos in third?

[gnasher]

On the third one, will partner always bid 3♥ rather than 3♠ with a 4=3=3=3 shape? It would be unfortunate to reach 5♣ opposite KJxx xxx Jxx AKx.

[gnasher]

 Fluffy, on 2011-January-13, 08:27, said:

3♠, 3♠, 4♠

the 2 first ebcause I consider the 4 card suit as a good extra.

Does that mean that with A109xxxx Jxx xx x you'd open something lower than 3♠?

[cherdano]

 gnasher, on 2011-January-13, 11:49, said:

On the third one, will partner always bid 3♥ rather than 3♠ with a 4=3=3=3 shape? It would be unfortunate to reach 5♣ opposite KJxx xxx Jxx AKx.

I think he should bid 3♥. We can't be 4=4 in the majors, and we can be 3=5 or 4=6 or 3=6 etc.

[nigel_k]

1. 4♠. There's quite a lot wrong with this but 3♠ is too little and I really don't want to pass.

2. 3♠. Not close.

3. 5♣. Agree that 4♦ would be choice of games but I don't really want to play a seven card major fit instead of an eight card club fit with this hand. Partner should not be 4333 as Cherdano explained.

[karlson]

Don't most people play 4♣ forcing on the last auction? Seems like we should do that, then if partner comes out with 4♦ choice of games we can offer 4♠?

I would open 4 and 3 on the first two though I wouldn't call 4 on the first one routine, I think it's mildly pushy.

[Fluffy]

 gnasher, on 2011-January-13, 11:51, said:

Does that mean that with A109xxxx Jxx xx x you'd open something lower than 3♠?

At least it would be very close to 2♠ for me

[FrancesHinden]

1. 4S
2. 3S
3. 5C

I've just been told "don't give him any advice on aggregate tactics"...

[pooltuna]

1. 3♠
2. presummably I have to use 2♦? otherwise 2♠
3. 4♣

[JLOGIC]

I strongly dislike 4S on the first hand. We have 4 hearts which makes them much less likely to make a game that we have to save over (they usually won't have a heart fit. Yeah they might make 3N but if we had AT9xxxx x x Jxxx it is much more likely they can make a game since 4H is also more in the picture). 3S will cause them problems pretty often if they have short hearts and can't make a takeout double also, and they might get to a 4-3 heart fit that plays well for them..

The other warning sign is our suit being ace empty. This gives us a lot less offense and a lot more defense than KQT9xxx for instance, not only do we have a trick on defense but if partner has a stiff (not so unlikely) it amounts to 2 tricks.

All of this leads me to believe 4S will often be a phantom, and even though I'm a fan of opening most 7-4s with 4 w/r I think this one is just lazy.

On hand 2 I would just open 2S, we are r/w, call me wimpy if you want.

[pooltuna]

[snip] On hand 2 I would just open 2S, we are r/w, call me wimpy if you want.
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[nigel_k]

On the first one I do agree with Justin's criticisms of 4♠. We could be down one when we would have bought it in 3♠ or concede 300/500 in 4♠ when they have no game. But I also think we will miss some games opening only 3♠ as partner won't expect this much offense (mine won't anyway). It comes down to which is the greater loss.