[Cyberyeti]

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EW vul, IMPS

Partner opens a multi 2♦, you bid 4♥ to play, partner bids 4♠ showing a strong 2 in spades, your bid ?

[dake50]

Why did partner not let 4H play? Nor H-slam hunt?
He must fear no slam and poorer play in 4H than 4S.
Have I enough to slam try? NO!
Pass.

[Cyberyeti]

dake50, on 2011-January-21, 17:02, said:

Why did partner not let 4H play? Nor H-slam hunt?
He must fear no slam and poorer play in 4H than 4S.
Have I enough to slam try? NO!
Pass.

Not sure if strong 2 is adequate description for those across the pond, would be understood fine here, this is an 8 playing tricks acol 2, AKQJxx, Kx, Kx, Axx (or better) is perfectly possible, but so are a load of less suitable hands.

He didnt slam hunt because you'd make the same bid on ♥QJ109xxxx and out.

[gszeszycki]

5d We have to show P our 4h bid was based on power not just preemtion. It is
far safer to bid 5d and bid 6h if p bids 5s. That way p will know we have 1st
round control in dia and 2nd round in clubs and probably need a heart honor
to bid 7.. It is difficult to imagine a hand P might have where 6s does not
have play so I have zero problems forcing this to the 6 level.

[the hog]

Well 6 is clearly there, it is a question of how to find 7. I don't know what methods you have, so I just bid the simple 6S.
I suspect Dake50 misunderstood the problem, because pass is highly amusing opposite a strong 2 with 2 Aces and a singleton.

[MrAce]

I know it may sound very boring to you but, i would bid 4NT and try to avoid fancy contol cues. We have a fit (♠) If we have all the keycards i will ask specific kings (but probably will still bid 7 even if he doesnt have ♥ K) If he shows a void in respond to 4NT, i will give up on grand.

[dake50]

Cyberyeti,
"AKQJxx, Kx, Kx, Axx (or better) is perfectly possible"
-- won't this hand just A-ask? (the 'Nor slam hunt' case)

"He didn't slam hunt because you'd make the same bid on ♥QJ109xxxx and out."
So the given hand's correct start is 3H? 3H>>4H.
Which of 3H, 4H may be slammy?

the hog,
"pass is highly amusing opposite a strong 2 with 2 Aces and a singleton."
I guess I misunderstand what 4H may be: 2xA +semi-solid 7-suit + single.
Yet partner is not slamming? WHY?
That's why you see slam and I see partner fears any higher fails.
Can a 5-loser SS spade open 2D and misfit hearts -- so I offer 2xA only?

[Cyberyeti]

OK, this is not my auction and what actually happened was that the hand posted knew that partner had misinterpreted 4♥ as pass/correct due to a faulty alert (above 3N so not alertable), hence passed 4♠. Was trying to canvass some views of LAs without prejudice before hitting the laws forums.

[Cyberyeti]

dake50, on 2011-January-22, 01:02, said:

Cyberyeti,
"AKQJxx, Kx, Kx, Axx (or better) is perfectly possible"
-- won't this hand just A-ask? (the 'Nor slam hunt' case)

"He didn't slam hunt because you'd make the same bid on ♥QJ109xxxx and out."
So the given hand's correct start is 3H? 3H>>4H.
Which of 3H, 4H may be slammy?

the hog,
"pass is highly amusing opposite a strong 2 with 2 Aces and a singleton."
I guess I misunderstand what 4H may be: 2xA +semi-solid 7-suit + single.
Yet partner is not slamming? WHY?
That's why you see slam and I see partner fears any higher fails.
Can a 5-loser SS spade open 2D and misfit hearts -- so I offer 2xA only?

The only slammy way of bidding starts with 2N, the initial 2♦ can be weak 2M, strong 2any, or strong balanced.

[the hog]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-January-22, 02:29, said:

OK, this is not my auction and what actually happened was that the hand posted knew that partner had misinterpreted 4♥ as pass/correct due to a faulty alert (above 3N so not alertable), hence passed 4♠. Was trying to canvass some views of LAs without prejudice before hitting the laws forums.

I don't think it is reasonable to pass 4S.

[Yogeshdg]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-January-21, 16:30, said:

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EW vul, IMPS

Partner opens a multi 2♦, you bid 4♥ to play, partner bids 4♠ showing a strong 2 in spades, your bid ?

Which multi shows a strong 2 bid in spades?

[FrancesHinden]

I think you needed to post this in some way aimed at players who understand the auction....
I don't think passing 4S is a LA.

[whereagles]

I think I'd try 6♥ instead of spades... call me a hog.

[mtvesuvius]

whereagles, on 2011-January-22, 17:25, said:

I think I'd try 6♥ instead of spades... call me a hog.

We already have a "the hog", but we'd welcome "a hog" too

I don't think passing 4♠ is a LA. I'd bid 4N I guess -- Planning on bidding 7 if we have all the keys and the trump queen. It'll be at worst on a hook, and when partner has a stiff, we're odds on.

[Cyberyeti]

Yogeshdg, on 2011-January-22, 11:08, said:

Which multi shows a strong 2 bid in spades?

2♦ shows any of Weak 2 in hearts or spades, an 8 playing trick hand with any suit, or a strong balanced hand (21-22 ?)

4♥ says I want to play in 4♥ opposite a presumed weak 2 in spades.

4♠ says I in fact have a strong 2 in spades.

[Zelandakh]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-January-22, 02:29, said:

OK, this is not my auction and what actually happened was that the hand posted knew that partner had misinterpreted 4♥ as pass/correct due to a faulty alert (above 3N so not alertable), hence passed 4♠. Was trying to canvass some views of LAs without prejudice before hitting the laws forums.

The last time I looked at the EBU alerting rules they required an alert above 3NT on the first round of the auction. Thus it would have been correct to alert 4H here if it was pass/correct. Pass is not a LA for me either.

[gnasher]

Zelandakh, on 2011-January-26, 08:36, said:

The last time I looked at the EBU alerting rules they required an alert above 3NT on the first round of the auction. Thus it would have been correct to alert 4H here if it was pass/correct. Pass is not a LA for me either.

With the current EBU regulations, opening bids above 3NT are alerted, but not any other bids above 3NT.

[dake50]

Am I misunderstanding?
This hand was not slammy over 2D: could be Acol-2S, but now is slammy?

[Cyberyeti]

dake50, on 2011-January-26, 11:22, said:

Am I misunderstanding?
This hand was not slammy over 2D: could be Acol-2S, but now is slammy?

Yes you are, 4♥ says "If you have a WEAK 2 in spades, I want to play 4♥". It's pretty wide ranging from very little up to about what this hand is or maybe a fraction more.