[Phil]

A sequence:

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Is 2♣ simply a preference between ♣ / ♦ or does it show some values?

[mtvesuvius]

I play that it's simply a preference, not sure what's best though. Pass would show equal length.

[Free]

Never really thought about what's best, but for me this is preference.

[karlson]

Preference.

[awm]

Preference and pass would be penalty.

[gnasher]

Preference (edit: either four clubs or a 2-card preference), because responder has to be able to insist on clubs, and we also have to be able to bid sensibly with 5=4 opposite 3-3 or 2=3.

Edit: Pass would be no more than a 1-card preference.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2011-February-09, 13:53

[Phil]

awm, on 2011-February-08, 14:54, said:

Preference and pass would be penalty.

I knew you'd say that heh.

However, is it really likely partner is trapping into a 7 card fit when they didn't overcall 1♠?

[awm]

Phil, on 2011-February-09, 13:54, said:

I knew you'd say that heh.

However, is it really likely partner is trapping into a 7 card fit when they didn't overcall 1♠?

It's happened before, against Meckstroth and Rodwell no less.

Perhaps it depends on how likely opponents are to really have a seven-card fit. I've seen the 1♠ psych plenty of times in this auction.

[Trinidad]

awm, on 2011-February-09, 13:57, said:

It's happened before, against Meckstroth and Rodwell no less.

Perhaps it depends on how likely opponents are to really have a seven-card fit. I've seen the 1♠ psych plenty of times in this auction.

I don't get that. How will the spades be distributed around the table?

Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now.

With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche?

Rik

[Trinidad]

Phil, on 2011-February-07, 11:02, said:

A sequence:

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Is 2♣ simply a preference between ♣ / ♦ or does it show some values?

I play:
2♣/♦: Preference and weak ("I don't want to be in this auction, but you forced me to.")
Pass: either no preference (Pass whatever partner picks) or constructive (make a voluntary bid).

This follows from our general agreements after an opponent redoubles. Changing our agreement just because their redouble was conventional or showed a degree of fit is too complicated for me.

Rik

[karlson]

Trinidad, on 2011-February-10, 01:51, said:

I don't get that. How will the spades be distributed around the table?

Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now.

With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche?

Rik

I would guess this is a hand with 3-4 good spades and a heart stack? Lead trumps please partner.

[Trinidad]

Trinidad, on 2011-February-10, 01:51, said:

I don't get that. How will the spades be distributed around the table?

Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now.

With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche?

Rik

karlson, on 2011-February-10, 02:46, said:

I would guess this is a hand with 3-4 good spades and a heart stack? Lead trumps please partner.

I think that playing pass as "penalty pass of hearts, with spades" is reasonable. Playing pass as "exposing a psyche" is not. If you wanted to expose the spade psyche on your left, you could have done so by bidding spades before it was LHO turn to call.

Rik

[mike777]

as very often in realworld I think the question is...."what is the question?"

note here there are about 5 or more questions/

[whereagles]

Usually there are two schools

1.
pass = let it be
2m = my choice

2.
pass = you choose
2m = really prefer this

Since #1 is inconsitant with pass the previous round, #2 is the logical choice.