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Posted 2011-May-13, 10:36

OK. Weird question, but I figure that bridge players are such a weird group -- someone may be able to help here.

From time to time, I have had contact professionally with members of an unusual group of what are aparently called "sovereign citizens." I may be dealing soon with someone of this mindset. So, in order to better understand his thinking, I did a Google search of various terms that describe his thinking, with great amazement and amusement. I highly recommend doing this if you have no idea what I am speaking about. Run through terms like "sovereign citizen," "strawman," "understand and stand under," "asseveration," "restoration," etc. At least you will get a laugh.


In any event, what I have run into is two groups of sources. First, I see a lot of sites that speak from the sovereign citizen perspective. The language is extremely difficult to follow and somewhat disjointed, which helps but only so much. The other is from organizations that find "sovereign citizens" insane, in which case there is somewhat of a bias or something that makes it useful but not completely.

What I am seeking is a site that goes into great depth as to sovereign citizen thinking without being from the sovereign citizens themselves (to avoid the rambling nonsense) but that it not from a group that has a distinct anti-SC perspective (to avoid judgment and simplicity and error). In other words, a "fair" outsiders in-depth analysis of what sovereign citizens believe and the language they use.

My goal is to understand these people well enough to talk their language (and understand their language) sufficiently to explain concepts to them in their own manner and to explain what they are really saying to judges or jurors or the like.

Any ideas?
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Posted 2011-May-15, 20:38

60 Minutes had a piece on them tonight. Among other beliefs, the people in the group believe they have the sovereign right to kill politicians, police, and judges. Evidently their material is available on the web.
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