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#21 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2011-August-09, 17:31

View Postguido, on 2011-August-09, 17:15, said:

The bidding shows 2 alerted. Anything interesting?

You can click on any alerted bid to see if there is an explanation. In this case it said "nat NF".

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Posted 2011-August-09, 19:38

View Postgwnn, on 2011-August-09, 16:59, said:

Full hand and our auction hidden here (opening post was rotated to make us South):

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I just thought it was kind of interesting that we sort of hit both of partner's suits, but were unsure of hearts.

5-4-2-2 that's bad and minimum strength to boot.

And most would think South's 1NT was bizarre even if you do open with singleton honours- its a clear 1D open.
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Posted 2011-August-09, 19:55

View Postvianu2, on 2011-August-09, 17:18, said:

Now the 5clubs bidders can try to count the downs on that funny contract :D Of course the 4cl bidders would pass 4 and lose only 450. Doubt if 2d is a sane bid but anyway as long as u bid 3cl, 3d or whatever on the level 3 u cannot stop 4 and u dont have guns for 5 :D. If i were S i would bid over my own 4 lol. But at least the 4 bidder was the first person at the table who had any idea where to play the hand. :D Man! if u make 3 with this ***** ajxxx axxx vulnerable against not!! how many do u make with a sane 2h bidding?!
vianu2 would jump to 4 and pass 4. IMO, that is a deep position, fraught with its own dangers -- although it is mostly a matter of judgement (aka guesswork). I agree with vianu2 that, at the prevailing vulnerability, the 2 overcaller would normally have a more suitable hand (stronger or more concentrated or more shapely). You know that opponents have a double-fit in the pointed suits. 4 may well be makeable but non-vulnerable opponents are almost certain to bid 4 over it. Eventually, unlike vianu2, many advancers would bid 5. IMO an immediate 5 better describes this hand with long clubs but lacking controls. This is more pre-emptive and allows partner to co-operate more effectively. Opponents may double 5 but, as the cards lie, are more likely to "sacrifice" in 5. Seemingly, in practice, after being given more space to exchange information, opponents still bid 5 over your 5 (in spite of vianu2's premonitions). A potential disadvantage of cue-bidding or splintering rather than jumping in is that you may set up a forcing-pass auction. In a forcing-pass auction, partner might have to double opponents in 5 to stop you bidding on.
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Posted 2011-August-09, 20:02

Annie, are u OK Annie...?
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Posted 2011-August-09, 20:41

View Postvianu2, on 2011-August-09, 07:47, said:

nige1 says:
IMO 5 = 10, 3 = 9, 3 = 8, 4 = 7. If partner is forgetful then 3 may be enough. That may even allow you to bid later. But, otherwise, 5 (cutting out 4) is a fair temporising move :)


So u decide to suicide yourself in 5 when 4 makes and u can beat 4 if partner has let's say k and on a lead u get 2 trics? wow!!


That is better than suiciding someone else.

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Posted 2011-August-09, 20:43

[quote name='vianu2' timestamp='1312897649' post='567194']
nige1 says:
IMO 5 = 10, 3 = 9, 3 = 8, 4 = 7. If partner is forgetful then 3 may be enough. That may even allow you to bid later. But, otherwise, 5 (cutting out 4) is a fair temporising move :)


Edited: duplicate post
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Posted 2011-August-09, 20:49

View Postthe hog, on 2011-August-09, 20:41, said:

That is better than suiciding someone else.

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Posted 2011-August-09, 23:58

View Postvianu2, on 2011-August-09, 17:18, said:



Edit: Man! if u make 3 with this ***** ajxxx axxx vulnerable against not!! how many do u make with a sane 2h bidding?!


"Sane" is relative concept. Relative to system and style.
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Posted 2011-August-11, 06:56

4. Odds are pretty high pard will have a 5-card heart suit.
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