[gwnn]

guido, on 2011-August-09, 17:15, said:

The bidding shows 2♦ alerted. Anything interesting?

You can click on any alerted bid to see if there is an explanation. In this case it said "nat NF".

vianu2: Yes, I think almost every call is questionable in the auction.

[cloa513]

gwnn, on 2011-August-09, 16:59, said:

Full hand and our auction hidden here (opening post was rotated to make us South):

Spoiler

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I just thought it was kind of interesting that we sort of hit both of partner's suits, but were unsure of hearts.

5-4-2-2 that's bad and minimum strength to boot.

And most would think South's 1NT was bizarre even if you do open with singleton honours- its a clear 1D open.

[nige1]

vianu2, on 2011-August-09, 17:18, said:

Now the 5clubs bidders can try to count the downs on that funny contract Of course the 4cl bidders would pass 4♠ and lose only 450. Doubt if 2d is a sane bid but anyway as long as u bid 3cl, 3d or whatever on the level 3 u cannot stop 4♠ and u dont have guns for 5 . If i were S i would bid over my own 4♦ lol. But at least the 4♦ bidder was the first person at the table who had any idea where to play the hand. Man! if u make 3♥ with this ***** ajxxx axxx vulnerable against not!! how many do u make with a sane 2h bidding?!

vianu2 would jump to 4♦ and pass 4♠. IMO, that is a deep position, fraught with its own dangers -- although it is mostly a matter of judgement (aka guesswork). I agree with vianu2 that, at the prevailing vulnerability, the 2♣ overcaller would normally have a more suitable hand (stronger or more concentrated or more shapely). You know that opponents have a double-fit in the pointed suits. 4♥ may well be makeable but non-vulnerable opponents are almost certain to bid 4♠ over it. Eventually, unlike vianu2, many advancers would bid 5♣. IMO an immediate 5♣ better describes this hand with long clubs but lacking controls. This is more pre-emptive and allows partner to co-operate more effectively. Opponents may double 5♣ but, as the cards lie, are more likely to "sacrifice" in 5♦. Seemingly, in practice, after being given more space to exchange information, opponents still bid 5♦ over your 5♣ (in spite of vianu2's premonitions). A potential disadvantage of cue-bidding or splintering rather than jumping in ♣ is that you may set up a forcing-pass auction. In a forcing-pass auction, partner might have to double opponents in 5♦ to stop you bidding on.

[vianu2]

Annie, are u OK Annie...?

[the hog]

vianu2, on 2011-August-09, 07:47, said:

nige1 says:
IMO 5♣ = 10, 3♣ = 9, 3♦ = 8, 4♣ = 7. If partner is forgetful then 3♣ may be enough. That may even allow you to bid ♥ later. But, otherwise, 5♣ (cutting out 4♠) is a fair temporising move


So u decide to suicide yourself in 5♣ when 4♥ makes and u can beat 4♠ if partner has let's say k♠ and on a ♦ lead u get 2 ♠ trics? wow!!

That is better than suiciding someone else.

3D for me.

[the hog]

[quote name='vianu2' timestamp='1312897649' post='567194']
nige1 says:
IMO 5♣ = 10, 3♣ = 9, 3♦ = 8, 4♣ = 7. If partner is forgetful then 3♣ may be enough. That may even allow you to bid ♥ later. But, otherwise, 5♣ (cutting out 4♠) is a fair temporising move


Edited: duplicate post

[vianu2]

the hog, on 2011-August-09, 20:41, said:

That is better than suiciding someone else.

[peachy]

vianu2, on 2011-August-09, 17:18, said:

Edit: Man! if u make 3♥ with this ***** ajxxx axxx vulnerable against not!! how many do u make with a sane 2h bidding?!

"Sane" is relative concept. Relative to system and style.

[whereagles]

4♥. Odds are pretty high pard will have a 5-card heart suit.