[jillybean]

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[JLOGIC]

South bid freely at the 3 level which shows extra values (with a minimum hand, south must pass). All north did was take preference from there, the same that they would do with a 5242 6 count! North has to show a 3 card limit raise by *jumping* on the next round of the auction.

[Cyberyeti]

JLOGIC, on 2011-September-01, 01:29, said:

South bid freely at the 3 level which shows extra values (with a minimum hand, south must pass). All north did was take preference from there, the same that they would do with a 5242 6 count! North has to show a 3 card limit raise by *jumping* on the next round of the auction.

This, and in fact with AK/A and 3 trumps I think you're close to doing more than this, give partner Qx/x or even xx/x rather than Q/xx in the pointies and slam isn't bad given that the points are probably where you want them.

[BunnyGo]

JLOGIC, on 2011-September-01, 01:29, said:

South bid freely at the 3 level which shows extra values (with a minimum hand, south must pass). All north did was take preference from there, the same that they would do with a 5242 6 count! North has to show a 3 card limit raise by *jumping* on the next round of the auction.

This. North was probably planning on making a limit raise before the interference. Time to accept for partner who has shown strength enough to accept a limit raise.

[Porreankel]

I agree with the above. For the same reasons :-)

Responders 2nd bid is often where things go wrong.



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[vuroth]

Agree. With a minimum opener, south passes over 2♦ I think. Opposite anything but a minimum opener, north wants to be in 4♥

[helene_t]

North probably thought it was analogous to the uncontested auction
1♥-1♠
3♣-3♥
which is stronger than 4♥ because we are in a game force.

But here, South's 3♣ is not forcing. It is what South will have to bid with 15-17 points. With a GF hand, South would have to cuebid, or maybe double or a jump.

[semeai]

helene_t, on 2011-September-01, 07:21, said:

North probably thought it was analogous to the uncontested auction
1♥-1♠
3♣-3♥
which is stronger than 4♥ because we are in a game force.

Even on this uncontested auction I would play 4♥ as the limit raise (and presumably partner doesn't pass with his game-force-opposite-a-six-count). You need 3♥ as possibly just a preference with 2 hearts, so it can't be stronger than 4♥.

[VM1973]

North has a full opening hand and his partner has shown extras. The combined hands are one ZP short of 6 (well, modified ZPs since I'm subtracting a point for 5-3-3-2 based on Tysen's work). Change the ♥J South for the ♥Q and you're good to go.

[MrAce]

helene_t, on 2011-September-01, 07:21, said:

North probably thought it was analogous to the uncontested auction
1♥-1♠
3♣-3♥
which is stronger than 4♥ because we are in a game force.

I am also in the camp of playing 4♥ as a limit raise 3 card hand as semeai said. I hate the fast arrival rule here. 3♥ should be flexible and responder should be available to make this bid with only 2♥ for obvious reasons and not neccesarilly showing a good/better hand than 4♥.

Same goes for me if the auction was

1♥--1NT
3m--3♥ vs 4♥ but here it is easier for us because we dont play 1M-2M constructive. Thus i can not have a hand which bids 1NT with 3 card fit unless it has 10-12 hcp. 4♥ is limit while 3♥ is 2 cards and not sure what game we can play.

You can apply the same logic over 1♠ response too, 1♠ response with 3 card ♥ fit, showed some strength upto some degree, since he could raise right away with weaker hands, or his later 2♥ bid will never be recieved as a real support. But overall this is just a style matter, some think 3 card fit with less than 8 hcps can be delayed or hidden and there is no problem with that. I just dont like it, although i have to admit that style (constructive 1M-2M) is hard for opponents when the 3 card fit is given after 1♠ or 1NT response, because opponents are less keen to balance since they also don't know if u have a fit or playing on a prefered of 2 suits.

[gwnn]

MrAce, on 2011-September-01, 14:00, said:

I am also in the camp of playing 4♥ as a limit raise 3 card hand as semeai said. I hate the fast arrival rule here. 3♥ should be flexible and responder should be available to make this bid with only 2♥ for obvious reasons and not neccesarilly showing a good/better hand than 4♥.

jlall disagreed with this. I am trying to find the post where he explained why.

http://www.bridgewin...er-a-jump-shift here most people agreed with MrAce and semeai.

[JLOGIC]

jlall > bridgewinners obv

[MrAce]

JLOGIC, on 2011-September-01, 15:18, said:

jlall > bridgewinners obv

Good one !

[ggwhiz]

What happened to a 3♦ cue?

Partner should assume this is in support of ♣ but since we do this often, my pard will allow me room to clarify that it's ♥'s.