[inquiry]

2♥* - (pass) - pass - (X)
XX

I don't run into this auction every day. 2♥ was weak (5-10 hcp), double was takeout. What was redouble? A secondary question to which I know for me, a pass by 2nd seat immedately over the redouble would be business for me (meta rule) to prevent a psychic redouble.

Can someone suggest a few hands opener could hold consistent with this bidding?

[aguahombre]

1.The 2H opener doesn't know about your meta-rule (and mine).
2.His partner has seen the redouble before. We could ask, because it is so abnormal the question would be expected by pard whether you have the meta rule or not.
3.2H itself was an operation with everything but hearts?
4.He had a blue card mixed in with his green ones.

Any, or all of the above. If they have discussed it, are are hoping pass would be misinterpreted by the opponents, it could be used for "don't lead a heart".

Is MickyB involved?

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-September-29, 11:51

[whereagles]

The only meta-rule you need here is "undiscussed bids are natural". So good solid suit, max hand (maybe even over max).

AJx
KQJTxx
x
xxx

You could say this is a 1H opener (and I would agree), but not all think that way.

[aguahombre]

Op's meta rules is about the pass of the redouble, Mr. Eagle.

[fromageGB]

whereagles, on 2011-September-29, 11:55, said:

The only meta-rule you need here is "undiscussed bids are natural". So good solid suit, max hand (maybe even over max).

AJx
KQJTxx
x
xxx

You could say this is a 1H opener (and I would agree), but not all think that way.

I agree with this, but for the example hand would reverse the pointy suits. I opened a weak 2 last night with >10 count good suit rather than a one bid, simply to make it harder for opps to find a higher ranking fit (admittedly after partner had passed).

Having said that, redouble seems pointless, probably an automatic reflex by a rubber bridge player.

[kenrexford]

I have thought about this sequence, and I like the idea of it showing a two-suiter. For example, I would like to redouble in this sequence with ♠x ♥KQJxx ♦xx ♣Kxxxx. This is wonderful if partner is 4-1-4-4 as an escape route, but it also allows partner to make aggressive competitive calls, expecting a strong PLAYING STRENGTH hand (note that the example hand is arguably a six-loser hand).

[whereagles]

With a 2-suiter you can self-escape to 3C, no?

[kenrexford]

whereagles, on 2011-September-29, 13:48, said:

With a 2-suiter you can self-escape to 3C, no?

Sure -- that makes a lot of sense. I "self-escape" into a 5-1 fit, forcing partner to return to our normal 5-3 fit, which goes down one.

[pooltuna]

assuming this was a first seat 2♥ bid, my recommendation is that you give up playing games at the Bedlam Bridge Club . otherwise I would expect the opp to have essentially an unfinesseable suit (i.e. solid but not necessarily A high)

[gwnn]

good maximum. maybe better to play as good hearts, you can lead them pard (or bad hearts? that sounds a bit risky in this particular case).

[manudude03]

I play it as a super-maximum with extra offence, something like void AQJxxx xxx QT9x

[aguahombre]

manudude03, on 2011-September-30, 03:49, said:

I play it as a super-maximum with extra offence, something like void AQJxxx xxx QT9x

You play it a lot?

[manudude03]

As far as I can recall, I've only done it once, and it ended up +960 (it wasn't quite the same, 2S-P-3S-X-XX)

[Gerben42]

It shows doubt that opponents will know what they are doing after the redouble

[Phil]

The only logical use for me is that this not only shows a stellar suit, but also a max and a 2nd place to play: AQJTxx x xx Qxxx?

I would never redouble ATT.

[Phil]

kenrexford, on 2011-September-29, 13:56, said:

Sure -- that makes a lot of sense. I "self-escape" into a 5-1 fit, forcing partner to return to our normal 5-3 fit, which goes down one.

When partner doesn't raise the first time? And TYP for not really telling me what your 2nd suit is when I have to make a decision at the four level.

[whereagles]

kenrexford, on 2011-September-29, 13:56, said:

Sure -- that makes a lot of sense. I "self-escape" into a 5-1 fit, forcing partner to return to our normal 5-3 fit, which goes down one.

Of course it makes sense. If the side fit turns out to be a 5-1 you get back to the 5-3 one. If something, you'll go an extra down; a small price to pay for the times you get out of trouble.

[kenrexford]

Redouble with 5-5 allows 3♣ or 3♦ as a natural 6-4, which is more common. Bidding 3♣ or 3♦ with the 5-5 hands means that you cannot show both.

If you really want to show the specific minor immediately and see no risk in forcing the three-level OR see only some risk, then:

2♥-P-P-X-3♣ = 6♥/4♣
2♥-P-P-X-3♦ = 6♥/4♦
2♥-P-P-X-2NT = 5♥/5♣
2♥-P-P-X-XX = 5♥/5♣
2♥-P-P-X-2♠ = 0634/0643

So, there!

[jmcw]

whereagles, on 2011-September-29, 13:48, said:

With a 2-suiter you can self-escape to 3C, no?

Agree! seems easy to escape! 2♠ or 2NT or whatever

[MrAce]

kenrexford, on 2011-October-01, 17:09, said:

Redouble with 5-5 allows 3♣ or 3♦ as a natural 6-4, which is more common. Bidding 3♣ or 3♦ with the 5-5 hands means that you cannot show both.

If you really want to show the specific minor immediately and see no risk in forcing the three-level OR see only some risk, then:

How can a weak 2 opener possibly decide any of these, or assess the risks by himself, after pd already passed and his RHO Doubled ?

kenrexford, on 2011-October-01, 17:09, said:

2♥-P-P-X-3♣ = 6♥/4♣
2♥-P-P-X-3♦ = 6♥/4♦
2♥-P-P-X-2NT = 5♥/5♣
2♥-P-P-X-XX = 5♥/5♣
2♥-P-P-X-2♠ = 0634/0643

So, there!

How about a meta agreements that says, "if weak opener can not live with his own initial decision of making a weak opening and wants to take an unexpected action when he literally knows NOTHING about his pd's hand, he should not open/ open something else at the first place ?