[TMorris]

I am trying to find a source that gives ranges for responding in NT if partner makes a t/o double over an opponents opening bid. I don't seem to have a text book that talks about it so wondered if anyone could point me to something on line?

Thanks for any help.

[helene_t]

Textbooks (for beginners and/or written a couple of decades ago) will say 6-9. The modern trend is 8-10.

[gwnn]

1NT=8-10, 2NT=11-12, 3NT=13-15 is quite good.

[ArtK78]

1NT 8-10 with an asterik. For example, what would you bid on:

xx
KQT9
Jxx
xxxx

if the auction started out

(1♥) - x - (P) - ?

I can't believe you would bid anything other than 1NT, despite the 6 HCP.

[mycroft]

And for the reason for the "extras" - your partner asked you to bid a suit, because he has support for the other suits. NT is *not* what he wants to hear - he was counting dummy points for his call. Therefore, it is desirable to be stronger to compensate.

[gwnn]

ArtK78, on 2012-January-20, 09:30, said:

1NT 8-10 with an asterik. For example, what would you bid on:

xx
KQT9
Jxx
xxxx

if the auction started out

(1♥) - x - (P) - ?

I can't believe you would bid anything other than 1NT, despite the 6 HCP.

2C.

[ArtK78]

gwnn, on 2012-January-20, 11:58, said:

2C.

Seriously? When 1NT is likely to be the best final contract?

[EricK]

ArtK78, on 2012-January-20, 12:22, said:

Seriously? When 1NT is likely to be the best final contract?

If partner has a perfect 4-1-4-4, your ♥ aren't going to be much use in 1NT, and you will constantly have to lead from dummy. The ♥(and rest of hand) are worth far more in ♣ where you have a possible entry or two.

[1eyedjack]

ArtK78, on 2012-January-20, 12:22, said:

Seriously? When 1NT is likely to be the best final contract?

Not that I feel very strongly about this, but I would observe that bidding the best final contract is only of particular value if partner then goes and passes.

[ArtK78]

1eyedjack, on 2012-January-20, 12:59, said:

Not that I feel very strongly about this, but I would observe that bidding the best final contract is only of particular value if partner then goes and passes.

If partner bids again, I think he would be better placed to know that you have stuff in their suit rather than anywhere else. Also, the most likely final contract after your 1NT bid is 1NT.

[neilkaz]

ArtK78, on 2012-January-20, 13:40, said:

If partner bids again, I think he would be better placed to know that you have stuff in their suit rather than anywhere else. Also, the most likely final contract after your 1NT bid is 1NT.

The problem occurs from those who play 1NT is 8-10 as this hand is 2 HCP light. For me, I prefer 7-10 and wouldn't criticize
1NT stretch with your hand but you run the risk that PD expects a bit more and bids again.

[TMorris]

Thanks for the comments. I'd agree that the hand given is a 2 ♣ bid for me. I think 8-10 is right unless your t/o doubles are very classical.

[ggwhiz]

TMorris, on 2012-January-20, 14:43, said:

I'd agree that the hand given is a 2 ♣ bid for me.

I bid 2♣ with that too as the cost of doing business.

When I bid 1nt, pard knows I have 8-10 with something useful outside the opps suit and can make a move whether it's towards game or if they take another call. If you bid 1nt on this, it might be the best final contract but pard is whistling in the dark.

[awm]

I vote 6-10. I'm not really fond of bidding three-card suits in response to partner's takeout double, and 6-10 is basically the range I play for 1♦-1NT (or 1M-1NT NF, for that matter) so I don't see it as particularly unwieldy.

[S2000magic]

In his book Doubles for Takeout, Pentalties and Profit, Bob Ewen recommends 7-10 HPC for 1NT and 11-13 HCP for 2NT; by extrapolation, I'd imagine he'd say 14-16 HCP for 3NT.

I'd say that anything close to these ranges is probably playable; what's most important is that you and your partner agree on the ranges.