[Phil]

A973 AKJx K8xx J

1♣ - 1♥
2♣ - 3N
4N - ?

[JLOGIC]

This auction is literally impossible to me but I'm definitely bidding slam since I have a great hand for my bidding (16 points, prime cards, and the amazing CJ). My options are 6C and 5N. I feel like we wanna play 6C but it *might* be wrongsided if partner has like KJx Qx xx AKQTxx. It is hard for me to simulate/construct hands for an impossible auction, I feel like gib. I would just bid 5N, I feel like if partner bids 6N it's probably gonna be better than 6C.

[dwar0123]

That looks quantitative, I have more then I showed, I have good controls, easy 6nt.

[y66]

Pard has a hand that couldn't open 1N or rebid 2D, 2N or 3C but wants to explore slam now. Maybe he has something like x xx Ax AKxxxxxx. Agree with 5N.

[Fluffy]

partner is 3136 with 16-17 count and dreadful clubs not able to jump rebid them. We have no source of tricks and even our grea combined streght won't get us to twelve I think. Maybe if he has ♥Q but I doubt it.

I'd say partner has ♠KQx ♥Q ♦AQJ ♣Kxxxxx or worse ♠KQJ ♥x ♦AQJ ♣Kxxxxx

[gnasher]

 Fluffy, on 2012-April-06, 05:05, said:

partner is 3136 with 16-17 count and dreadful clubs not able to jump rebid them. We have no source of tricks and even our grea combined streght won't get us to twelve I think. Maybe if he has ♥Q but I doubt it.

I'd say partner has ♠KQx ♥Q ♦AQJ ♣Kxxxxx or worse ♠KQJ ♥x ♦AQJ ♣Kxxxxx

Would you really bid 2♣ on those two hands? They both look far too strong to me.

[mike777]

 Fluffy, on 2012-April-06, 05:05, said:

partner is 3136 with 16-17 count and dreadful clubs not able to jump rebid them. We have no source of tricks and even our grea combined streght won't get us to twelve I think. Maybe if he has ♥Q but I doubt it.

I'd say partner has ♠KQx ♥Q ♦AQJ ♣Kxxxxx or worse ♠KQJ ♥x ♦AQJ ♣Kxxxxx

first one is too strong for 2c and the second one is too weak for 4nt.


agree difficult to see just what pard does have. pard either had a hand with a long club suit but could not open 1nt or rebid 2nt but could not rebid 3c.

[aguahombre]

Y66's 8-bagger feels about right. What to do about it? Maybe 6C with the given hand; with stiff Q instead of Jack, would have no idea how to check for a grand in NT.

[Fluffy]

 gnasher, on 2012-April-06, 06:12, said:

Would you really bid 2♣ on those two hands? They both look far too strong to me.

I can lose all day trying to find a hand I´d bid this way with no result. But we are not the players who bid this way, we have the other hand and have to guess what is partner thinking about.

[Phil]

I had never seen this auction before either, so I tried to logic it out.

With a 7 or 8 card suit, partner just rebids 4♣. I don't know what other 4 level bids mean but you could come up with some sensible suggestions I suppose - like either a fragment or shortness.

4N was really an enigma to me. I pictured a 16 with so-so clubs that didn't justify a jump.

Maybe KQx x AJx AQxxxx? Opposite this, slam is iffy. I thought at the time with slightly stronger clubs that partner would rebid 3♣, not two. Perhaps some would rebid 3♣ with this hand - OK, then KQJ x AQx ATxxxx.

I passed. Partner (Timo) had Qx Qx AJx AQT9xx. I would have rebid 2N with this personally.

[kfay]

Rebid 2NT? Surely you can't be serious.

[whereagles]

 Fluffy, on 2012-April-06, 05:05, said:

partner is 3136 with 16-17 count and dreadful clubs not able to jump rebid them.

Proably. For the record, I would jump rebid on any 15-17, inc 6 clubs to the jack. Remember...

"SHAPE+STR FIRST!!!

We strip-mine the other bids later."

[gnasher]

With Timo's hand I'd open 1NT. I don't think it's worth an upgrade to 1♣-1♥;2NT, and 1♣-1♥;3♣ is normally more club-oriented than this. 1♣-1♥;2♣ is normally more club-oriented and weaker than this, so that would be my fourth choice.

If you make a limited bid, partner signs off in game, and now you feel the need to make a slam try based on high-card strength, it probably means you made the wrong bid earlier.

[lalldonn]

I totally agree that he should have opened 1NT. Then he wouldn't have felt like doing something weird and dangerous later.

[the hog]

I would have opened that hand 1NT. I don't think you could be serious about a 2NT rebid either.

[aguahombre]

So, are we back to: there isn't a hand which might create the puzzle to solve? There must be one where the 2C rebid was a judgement call rather than an outright misbid. Or not?

I still think X XX AX AKXXXXXX was the best offering. Opening 5C or rebidding 5C doesn't seem quite right with that, and we would have been pretty sure someone was gonna keep the auction alive. Playing Precision, I would certainly consider opening 2C and would expect to get another shot.

[mike777]

 aguahombre, on 2012-April-06, 21:32, said:

So, are we back to: there isn't a hand which might create the puzzle to solve? There must be one where the 2C rebid was a judgement call rather than an outright misbid. Or not?

I still think X XX AX AKXXXXXX was the best offering. Opening 5C or rebidding 5C doesn't seem quite right with that, and we would have been pretty sure someone was gonna keep the auction alive. Playing Precision, I would certainly consider opening 2C and would expect to get another shot.

maybe but I dont expect alot of 4nt ovr 3nt with that one. maybe....


it seems if you are going to do that then 3c or 5c over 1h right away?

frankly I would rather bid 1c then rebid 5c rather than rebid 1c- 2c. 8 card suit with outside ace?

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as others said this time pard had an easy 1nt opener.

[lalldonn]

 aguahombre, on 2012-April-06, 21:32, said:

So, are we back to: there isn't a hand which might create the puzzle to solve? There must be one where the 2C rebid was a judgement call rather than an outright misbid. Or not?

I still think X XX AX AKXXXXXX was the best offering. Opening 5C or rebidding 5C doesn't seem quite right with that, and we would have been pretty sure someone was gonna keep the auction alive. Playing Precision, I would certainly consider opening 2C and would expect to get another shot.

There are bids between 2C and 5C. Like, oh, 3C?

[rmnka447]

I think you scoped it out well. Partner does sound like he might hold 16-17 with bad ♣s or what he actually held -- reasonably good ♣s and about 15. In either case, the stiff ♣ J is a negative even though you hold 16 HCP.

[Phil]

 kfay, on 2012-April-06, 12:39, said:

Rebid 2NT? Surely you can't be serious.

Im not. I counted 16 the first time.