[dickiegera]

Partner opens 1NT and RHO interferes with 3♦

Is it better to play 4♦ bid as texas transfer to ♥
or as stayman for majors?

Thank you

[aguahombre]

Normal is for Texas to only apply through interference of 3♣ and below. It is probably better, also.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

aguahombre, on 2012-May-13, 17:13, said:

Normal is for Texas to only apply through interference of 3♣ and below. It is probably better, also.

agree...
And
1NT - ( 3D ) - 4D! is used for Stayman

Also,
1NT - ( 3D ) - 4H = natural; NOT Texas

[jmcw]

I play Texas thru 3♣ also.

So 4♦ is Stayman and 4M natural.

[benlessard]

4D for majors, what is best for 4C is unclear for me.

[aguahombre]

benlessard, on 2012-May-13, 18:44, said:

4D for majors, what is best for 4C is unclear for me.

You could make it natural and forcing, but maybe that won't be needed very much; and a flipflop might work better:

4C=majors --without one, opener can bid 4D allowing responder to bid a 5-bagger.
4D=one major and longer clubs -- pass-or-correct continuations
4M=to play

[MrAce]

dickiegera, on 2012-May-13, 17:03, said:

Partner opens 1NT and RHO interferes with 3♦

Is it better to play 4♦ bid as texas transfer to ♥
or as stayman for majors?

Thank you

Since you are asking this in expert forum, texas still on and DBL = take out for most experts that i know I am saying this because i am confident that most real experts play this take out, and it doesnt make sense to play both take out double and 4♦ stayman.

Besides, 4♦ showing 4-4 majors/stayman is nonsense, after all NT opener doesnt have to hold a 4 card major, in fact best game can still be 3 NT With 5-5 majors, you can start DBL and then bid 4 ♦.

FYI, it is same after 2 NT opening and natural 3♦ overcall. If you dont like to play texas here, you can use 4♦ for better purposes. Just dont use it as stayman with 4-4 majors. You have DBL available for those hands.

[JLOGIC]

4D would not have to be stayman, it could be 5-5+ majors. I have played both ways (texas on or 4D both majors) and think both are fine, I would say that texas off is what I would assume to be expert standard.

To reply to timo, I don't think Xing with 5-5 majors is always satisfactory, partner might pass it. Or LHO might bid which might hurt your plans.

[MrAce]

JLOGIC, on 2012-May-13, 23:07, said:

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To reply to timo, I don't think Xing with 5-5 majors is always satisfactory, partner might pass it. Or LHO might bid which might hurt your plans.

If one doesnt like 4♦ being texas, they can use it to show 5-5 majors. All i am saying is 4-4 majors (stayman) doesnt make sense. ( at least not to me)

MrAce, on 2012-May-13, 22:58, said:

FYI, it is same after 2 NT opening and natural 3♦ overcall. If you dont like to play texas here, you can use 4♦ for better purposes. Just dont use it as stayman with 4-4 majors. You have DBL available for those hands.

[jillybean]

How about 1N (3♣) 4♣?

[32519]

My methods are a combination of what others have already said.

The 3♦ overcall has disrupted all my standard methods. Now a whole new set of rules kicks in. The pre-empt has given some info about the ♦ distribution. The overcaller has 7 and opener has at least 2, may have 3. That leaves a maximum of 4 between the other 2 players, one of which may be holding a singleton. If the singleton is held by the 1NT opener’s partner, how do I show it?

In the bidding sequence posted: 1NT-3♦-?
1. X = stolen bid, asking for partner to transfer to ♥.
...a. 3H followed by a raise to game would be a mild slam try, showing 6X♥, some HCP and ♦ shortness.
...b. 3♥ followed by 3♠ would show 4♠-5♥, with or without mild slam interest.
...c. 3♥ followed by 3NT giving partner a choice of places to play, with or without mild slam interest. This would show only 5X♥.
2. 3♥ = transfer to ♠. 3♠ followed by 4♥ = 5♠-5♥-2♦-1♣ (compare with 3 below)
3. 4♦ = cue-bid, implying ♦ shortness, both majors and also a mild slam try. This bidding sequence suggests that ♠ are longer than ♥, usually 5♠-4♥ (can be 5-5, then responders distribution would be 5♠-5♥-1♦-2♣).
4. 4♣ = Stayman, this time with the majors always unequal in length, always longer ♥ (4♠-6♥).
5. 4♥ = to play (no slam interest). The 3♦ overcall has disrupted my normal methods. Unfortunately the stronger hand is now displayed on the table. Similarly 4♠ would be to play, no slam interest. With mild slam interest in ♠ the bidding would proceed as follows: 1NT-3♦-3♥ (transfer to ♠). 3♠ will be lifted to 4♠ as a mild slam try. Without the opposition intervention, normal Texas / SA Texas would be in force as a signoff in the applicable major.

That leaves the 3♠ bid still unused after opposition intervention. What can it be used for? Some like to use it as a transfer into a ♣ single suited hand. Another possibility would be to use it as showing exactly 4-4 in the majors.

[Zelandakh]

32519, on 2012-May-14, 01:20, said:

Some like to use it as a transfer into a ♣ single suited hand. Another possibility would be to use it as showing exactly 4-4 in the majors.

Use it as both. In response 3NT denies a 4 card major (then 4♣ shows the GOSH) while 4♣ shows at least one 4 card major and declines a club slam try and 4♦ shows at least one 4 card major and accepts a club slam try. Over either 4m response a 4♥ bid is pass/correct for a major and other bids show clubs. I am not sure you are necessarily gaining over a traditional takeout double here though.

Also, this question has come up a number of times. For example this one from February, where Justin responded with a little more detail than above, and this short thread from less than 2 weeks ago, which seems to apply generally despite the title.

[gwnn]

1NT-(3♦)-?
x=takeout, looking for 4 card majors mostly, happy to defend if opener has diamond length+strength
3♥=spades, inv+
3♠=hearts, GF
3NT=what it says on the tin

[han]

After 1NT - 3D we play:

3H = spades
3S = hearts
4C = clubs
4D = both majors
4M = to play

After 1NT - 3C:

3D = hearts
3H = spades
3S = diamonds
4C = diamonds and a major
4D = majors
4M = to play

After 1NT - 3H:

Dbl = 4+ spades
3S = not 4 spades, GF
4C = diamonds
4D = clubs
4H = 6+ spades
4S = both minors

After 1NT - 3S:

4C = diamonds
4D = hearts
4H = clubs
4S = minors

[TWO4BRIDGE]

benlessard, on 2012-May-13, 18:44, said:

4D for majors, what is best for 4C is unclear for me.

You might use [ 1NT - ( 3D ) - ?? ] :
4C! = ♣ and a Major ( then 4D! asks Major )

[FrancesHinden]

32519, on 2012-May-14, 01:20, said:

My methods are a combination of what others have already said.

The 3♦ overcall has disrupted all my standard methods. Now a whole new set of rules kicks in. The pre-empt has given some info about the ♦ distribution. The overcaller has 7 and....

You need to get out more if you think the overcaller has promised a 7-card suit

[Phil]

Han's (and can we EVER forget GWNN's???) brilliant switch of 3♥ and 3♠ makes a lot of sense to me since we've run out of room to transfer (like we can over 3♣)). It seems like handling the 5-5's isn't a big deal since we can rebid 4♥ over 3N or 3♠.

edited

[CSGibson]

jillybean, on 2012-May-14, 00:28, said:

How about 1N (3♣) 4♣?

Gerber, obviously - when in doubt, 4♣ is always Gerber. Expert standard, I swear.

[gwnn]

Phil, on 2012-May-14, 14:59, said:

Han's switch of 3♥ and 3♠ makes a lot of sense to me since we've run out of room to transfer (like we can over 3♣)). It seems like handling the 5-5's isn't a big deal since we can rebid 4♥ over 3N or 3♠.

[Phil]

edited above