[S2000magic]

These hands look troublesome to me; I'd appreciate any advice from K-S experts:

Opener:
♠ 7
♥ A K 5 2
♦ A Q 8 2
♣ 10 5 4 2

Responder:
♠ 9 8 6 5
♥ Q J
♦ J 10 6
♣ A K J 8

The first round's easy:

1♦ - 1♠

Then what?

Opener's 2♣ rebid is forcing (strong, like a reverse) and promises a rebid, which seems a bit extravagent; is 2♦ the systemic rebid? If opener rebids 2♦, does responder bid 3♣, 2NT, something else?

Thanks in advance.

[straube]

from Kaplan-Sheinwold Updated...

"1N opening has been known on specifically 1-4-4-4 pattern, with spade honor, because of rebidding problems, but 1H is usually preferable if hearts are decent."

I suppose you would open that 1H. Not sure what you would do with x Jxxx Axxx AKQx

[S2000magic]

Thanks. On reflection, that sounds like the best solution for the given hand.

Now I just have to convince my partner, who dislikes any of the 4-card major possibilities in K-S.

As for your example hand, all I can say is that you're mean. Probably 1♣, then 2♣.

[Flem72]

WNT structures benefit from some form of mini-Roman. You are worried about 1-4-4-4 and 4-4-4-1. I plya this way with my K-Sish partners:

Only with stiff in black suit; AK & A = 12.

P,2H = to play

2S = to play with 6+; O may raise with stiff C and max

2N = starts all inv or potentially strong sequences, asks stiff and strength by steps: 3C = C, 12-13; 3D = S, 12-13; 3H = C, 13-14; 3S = S, 13-14.
Now: Any 3-level call is to play; R's 4C or 4D is to play
Games are to play, even 4S or 5C.
4N = RKCB for non-stiff black suit (i.e., after 3C or 3H, for S; after 3D or 3S, for C). (NOTE: This works also if you hold a solid or one or ½ loser 6+ suit in the stiff.).

3C = to play with 6+; O may raise with stiff S and max
3D = to play, either preemptive or to make
3H = to play, either preemptive or to make
3S = RKCB for H
3N = to-play
4C = RKCB for D
4,5D = to play, either preemptive or to make
4H = to play, either preemptive or to make

In ACBL, all non-forcing responses after the 2D opener are alertable.