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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2012-June-03, 14:09



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Posted 2012-June-03, 14:30

2N - two places to play. If partner bids 3♦, I will correct to 3♥
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Posted 2012-June-03, 15:21

If I were playing a natural 1♦ opening, as in T-Walsh or Polish Club, this would be an easy 3♥ bid. Now, as partner doesn't know what I have, I don't know what partner has, so 2NT may indeed be better. At least it's not matchpoints...
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Posted 2012-June-03, 19:58

If you bid 2N partner will bid 3♣
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Posted 2012-June-03, 20:14

View Postmgoetze, on 2012-June-03, 15:21, said:

If I were playing a natural 1♦ opening, as in T-Walsh or Polish Club, this would be an easy 3♥ bid. Now, as partner doesn't know what I have, I don't know what partner has, so 2NT may indeed be better. At least it's not matchpoints...


Eh? That my 1D opening may have been 4-4-3-2 precisely is irrelevant, that hand is always correcting diamonds to hearts.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 21:26

3♥

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-June-03, 23:26

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-03, 19:58, said:

If you bid 2N partner will bid 3♣


ok, we'll play 3♣
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Posted 2012-June-04, 00:17



How do we bid this?
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Posted 2012-June-04, 01:31

3♠.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 01:50

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-04, 00:17, said:

How do we bid this?


Well, you can't bid a passable 3C. You need to throw in a cuebid at some point to force to game, and now seems as good a time as any. If partner bids 3NT, you can continue with 4C to offer a choice of slams. Partner should get the idea that you only have 4 of them, and bid NT with only 3.

If partner doesn't bid 3NT, then they will choose a suit like X asked for. If it's 4C, you know you have an 8 card fit (which sounds likely anyway). Getting to slam isn't much harder than just bidding it at this point.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 04:42

I honestly have no way to find 6 clubs after partner bid 2 NT.
After a more pedestrian 3 club, I had found it easily.

This does not make 2 NT the worse bid in the situation you gave, just the successless one.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 06:01

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-04, 00:17, said:



How do we bid this?


I don't understand 2nt. It is clearly not natural... I bid 6nt now as I don't know how to uncover the club fit.

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Posted 2012-June-04, 06:10

View Postlowerline, on 2012-June-04, 06:01, said:

I don't understand 2nt. It is clearly not natural... I bid 6nt now as I don't know how to uncover the club fit.


Looking at the hand, 2NT is surely showing both minors.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 07:15

Would've been a good time for a support double over 2♠. If I don't have that agreement, I probably don't have one about 2NT either, so I am not sure what to do. Perhaps I would settle on mgoetze's 3♠, or maybe just an unimaginative 3♣.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 07:51

I like 5NT pick a slam with that hand.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 08:02

This was a hand sent to me by a friend, they ended up in a 6♥ contract -3. The club slam is the best spot but I think it is very difficult to bid.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 08:36

6♣ is obviously the best contract if you know nothing about the opponents' hands. Is it still the best given the 2♠ bid, or is 6NT now better? (Also, the 2♠ bid surely increases the chances of 7♣ too, doesn't it?)
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Posted 2012-June-04, 09:12

FWIW you can pitch your ♠ on the ♥ but 7♣ looses on the diamond finesse, but getting to 6 (or7) is the problem.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 09:46

View Postsfi, on 2012-June-04, 06:10, said:

Looking at the hand, 2NT is surely showing both minors.


Then it's easy to bid 6♣... So I guess the meaning is something less helpful.

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Posted 2012-June-04, 15:33

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-04, 09:12, said:

FWIW you can pitch your ♠ on the ♥ but 7♣ looses on the diamond finesse, but getting to 6 (or7) is the problem.

You can take the diamond finesse either way of course. ;) But my question was really: are the odds of getting the diamond finesse right high enough to bid grand, given that one of the suits is "known" to break 3-6?
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