[BunnyGo]

Hi all,

So I got a game tonight with one of the better players in the state--but our ideas of "standard" are a little out of synch; he played best in NYC in the 60s, but he had success against experts then. I wanted to check some hands and see if they were me, him, or just time period differences and not enough time before the game to get every sequence straight (I'm sure at least one of them was me...but will post anyways because there are questions about it). We were playing some kind of 2/1 with mostly standard agreements, but nothing fancy.

Hand 1:

West dealer:

1D-(P)-1N-(2S)
3C-(P)-4D-AP

Question 1: Roughly what is West's hand?

Question 2: Roughly what is East's hand?

Question 3: What is the difference between 3C, X, and 2NT by West?

Hands to be posted tomorrow night.

Thanks!

[Codo]

1. 2155 or 2254 with 13 HCPS,
2. 2353 with 9 HCPs
3. Without discussion 2 NT is natural, highly invitational, so 18-19, X is take out and 3 club wideranging...

P.S. This is what I belive what you had shown, not what I would do with these hands at the table.

This post has been edited by Codo: 2012-October-17, 04:25

[mike777]

4d is a slam try max hand max d


west only bid now is rkc...east basically demands west bid rkc.

let me make this clear...east has a max hand with max d....notweak


for some reason...west may guess ......east wants west to bid rkc..not east

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I only hope 4h=rkc in d

[Zelandakh]

Does "standard agreements" include inverted minors and a 2♣ response as game-forcing? There are different ways of playing West's rebids depending on whether Good-Bad is on (presumably not here!). Roland has described one way; another is for Double to be competitive and 3♣ to show extras. This auction often causes headaches for pick up partnerships. As for East's hand, it is difficult to assess without knowing the rest of the system. If the answers to both of the initial questions is yes then it is difficult to see how Responder can have the hand Mike suggests. Nonetheless I would not pass this 4♦ bid - Responder has voluntarily passed 3NT with exploratory bids available. More than likely they have (mis)read my 3♣ bid as strong and are making a slam try on that basis.

[BunnyGo]

Zelandakh, on 2012-October-17, 03:49, said:

Does "standard agreements" include inverted minors and a 2♣ response as game-forcing?

inverted minors, yes. I found out later in the night that 1D-2C was not GF.

[Fluffy]

3♣ could be whatever, a 4432 wouldn't surprise me. 4♦ must be an overmaximum, but that would be pretty rare for a diamond raise as oposed to a club raise. I am sure some rexford-like will advocate that 4♦ is splinter. For me the only thing that makes sense is a double fit hand with shortness something like 9 HCP hand with 1345

[wyman]

Fluffy, on 2012-October-17, 07:21, said:

For me the only thing that makes sense is a double fit hand with shortness something like 9 HCP hand with 1345

This.

Opener has enough extra shape or strength to compete to the 3-level, and responder has a 6-9(10) raise of diamonds. What else could he be so darn excited about?

[BunnyGo]

Partner was 3244 with an aceless 14 count. I had a 2344 and thought he had to have at least 9 cards in the minors and/or a better hand--I probably overbid next, but held the QJxx of diamonds and KQTx of clubs.

[Zelandakh]

Did partner have a reason for not having responded 2♣ or 2♦? For me, your partner denied holding this hand when they bid 1NT.

[wank]

Zelandakh, on 2012-October-19, 01:29, said:

Did partner have a reason for not having responded 2♣ or 2♦? For me, your partner denied holding this hand when they bid 1NT.

partner is the one who opened 1♦ and rebid 3♣

[Fluffy]

BunnyGo, on 2012-October-18, 15:53, said:

Partner was 3244 with an aceless 14 count. I had a 2344 and thought he had to have at least 9 cards in the minors and/or a better hand--I probably overbid next, but held the QJxx of diamonds and KQTx of clubs.

partner is aceless and you have QJxx KQ10x in his suits? LOL

[BunnyGo]

Fluffy, on 2012-October-19, 04:35, said:

partner is aceless and you have QJxx KQ10x in his suits? LOL

"I have to be able to compete, because we have a fit in a minor suit"

[TimG]

I'm trying to figure out who this "one of the best players in the state" is. Sad part is this sort of bidding doesn't disqualify him (or her) as "one of the best players in the state".

[neilkaz]

BunnyGo, on 2012-October-19, 11:51, said:

"I have to be able to compete, because we have a fit in a minor suit"

perhaps suggest that he realize that you get to balance in pass out seat so he doesn't need to freebid his flat minimum at the 3 level.

Welcome to Maine..a beautiful state where I used to live 25+ years ago for a while. Hopefully Tim G isn't too far from Portland so you can get a more modern and better PD sometimes.

.. neilkaz ..

[ggwhiz]

TimG, on 2012-October-19, 13:05, said:

I'm trying to figure out who this "one of the best players in the state" is. Sad part is this sort of bidding doesn't disqualify him (or her) as "one of the best players in the state".

I was told once by a very good player how he was set up with a "best" player that had not played tournaments in a loooong time. Filling out the card, when he asked how high for negative doubles the guy said I don't play them so he called a time out and asked about his history in the game.

He said "I had a really good partnership going until the guy moved to San Fran (Peter Pender) then I was doing even better with my next pard until he moved to Toronto (Sami Kehela)." My guy said, negative doubles are overrated anyway. The older guy got up to speed and started winning again soon enough with (more than) a few speed bumps and my guy gives him a lot of credit for "teaching me how to think".

If it's this kind of case and you are one that can help modernize this birds bidding there are big benefits in it for you. When we had a similar guy at a lower level come back to the game after a 30 year abscence us local aspiring young guns fought over the chance to play with him.

[BunnyGo]

TimG, on 2012-October-19, 13:05, said:

I'm trying to figure out who this "one of the best players in the state" is. Sad part is this sort of bidding doesn't disqualify him (or her) as "one of the best players in the state".

Dick.

[TimG]

BunnyGo, on 2012-October-19, 15:07, said:

Dick.

Probably the best player in the state. At least over the last 5-10 years, though it seems his winning percentage is dropping of late.