[RunemPard]

What is the best way to bid this one? We are playing a SA type system.

V/V, MPs
West is dealer...we are N/S


W---N---E---S
1S--X---P---2D
2H--5D--P---6D

North
♠AQ82
♥-
♦KT952
♣AKT6

South
♠-
♥Q76
♦AQJ87643
♣83



I talked with her after the hand that I was debating bidding 4♥, but avoided doing so to avoid any confusion. I felt that a good way to bid the hand would have been...


W---N---E---S
1S--X---P---2D(3D..?)
2H--4H--P---4S
P---5C--P---5S
P---6C--P---7D



East was being very kind during the hand...they had many chances to preempt us. However, based on the way they were bidding I didn't expect any sudden actions. Does my suggested auction seem good? My thoughts were that 4H would be a serious splinter since partner's strength is unknown. However, I was also debating 3H, but found this to be more of a simple forcing bid. After my 4H bid, partner can cue their spade void(single for now). I told her that 5C from me would show control in clubs with most likely a void in H since I avoided asking for keys. At this point she could show me her spade void followed by my 2nd round club control. At this point 7D is 100% obvious. Of course, thinking back on the hand after I felt I could have just gone to 7 myself, but I was indeed shocked to see her bid slam.

[Bbradley62]

South's 2♦ could have been on a yarb; she should bid 3♦ instead to show her strength.

[Fluffy]

suggesting 2♦ or 3♦ as options is bizarre, partner made a take out double and we have 8 card supported with void in the suit he suposedly is short as well.

we can anticipate that partner most likelly does not have a classic take out double, but this means he has 20 balanced (wow!) or a gosh in a rounded suit (not that bad). But anyway, bidding 2♦ is unbelievable, and I don't think 3♦ is right either, I won't cuebid as this will introduce diamonds too late, so 5♦ is my choice, 4♦ sounds interesting as well althou I have no clue what it shows.

I would neve bid double with north's hand, that is also bizarre to me. I would bid 2♦ wich would make south blink his eyes

[RunemPard]

I choose to double these hands when behind opener. I have good odds for a working finesse with 2 great minor suits and a void to boot. But yes, partner's 2D was not a great bid. She really doesn't know much about jumping over takeouts yet. I bid this hand rather horribly too, although I was having a pretty bad day myself. After a 3D jump, I can almost think about just bidding grand immediately...

[mgoetze]

RunemPard, on 2013-January-06, 16:22, said:

I choose to double these hands when behind opener. I have good odds for a working finesse with 2 great minor suits and a void to boot.

It's not that you lack playing strength, it's more that the auction is too likely to spin out of control. Your partner's first bid of the auction might have been 4♥, how would you feel about that?

And BTW, please try to use the hand editor tool, it is surely not more effort than what you put into posting this hand and yet so much easier to read.

[RunemPard]

mgoetze, on 2013-January-06, 16:30, said:

It's not that you lack playing strength, it's more that the auction is too likely to spin out of control. Your partner's first bid of the auction might have been 4♥, how would you feel about that?

And BTW, please try to use the hand editor tool, it is surely not more effort than what you put into posting this hand and yet so much easier to read.

Yes true as well about the 4H bid. I use the hand editor sometimes, just not tonight.

[RSClyde]

Doubling with a heart void and no suit of your own to bid can't possibly be right. You'll end up in the stratosphere when partner's long suit is the one you're void in rather than the one you have 5 of as it is overwhelmingly more likely to be.

Bidding only 2 or 3♦ with your partner's hand is just terrible.
If partner did make a takeout double and I held that hand I would jump to 5 or 6♦, but 5 is the absolute minimum. This is probably somewhat offshape but that means that you have a huge hand and I don't need too much in trumps anyway. You'd now have an easy raise to 7. That would get you there, but don't pat yourself on the back for your double when it goes this way: remember partner is jumping in hearts way more often.

[SteveMoe]

Would have expected an auction more like:

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North doesn't look like a TO Double candidate - too much in ♠, not enough in ♥.
After North's overcall, South has a great hands but needs to know about the rounded suits.
Control bidding gets the right information to bid the grand.

[bigbenvic]

SteveMoe, on 2013-January-06, 21:39, said:

Would have expected an auction more like:

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North doesn't look like a TO Double candidate - too much in ♠, not enough in ♥.
After North's overcall, South has a great hands but needs to know about the rounded suits.
Control bidding gets the right information to bid the grand.

I like this auction, though I wonder how it goes if Opener passes 2♠ instead of bidding 3♥.

[SteveMoe]

bigbenvic, on 2013-January-06, 22:57, said:

I like this auction, though I wonder how it goes if Opener passes 2♠ instead of bidding 3♥.

I think N still bids 4♥....

[Phil]

I think it would be fun for North to overcall 2♦ and South gets to lay down eight trump....