[eagles123]

part 1:

what is your bid

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Part 2:

what is your opinion of the 4S opening

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I chose to bid 6 spades which made from bad defence and a lot of luck as the A clubs led and then the diamonds were all onside, was not very impressed with my P's opening bid though!! I entered the diagram slightly wrongly on south hand, it had 9♦ rather than the 10 sorry about that.

Thanks,

Eagles

[blackshoe]

Part 1: 4NT. I already know partner has violated our agreement as to the meaning of a 4♠ opening, unless he has nine spades.

Part 2: I would have opened that hand 3♠. With the South hand I would then bid 4♥, asking for heart control. Opener would bid 4♠ (no control), and South would pass.

6♠ requires luck. You got some. This time.

[eagles123]

 blackshoe, on 2013-July-04, 07:58, said:

Part 1: 4NT. I already know partner has violated our agreement as to the meaning of a 4♠ opening, unless he has nine spades.

Part 2: I would have opened that hand 3♠. With the South hand I would then bid 4♥, asking for heart control. Opener would bid 4♠ (no control), and South would pass.

6♠ requires luck. You got some. This time.

I considered 4NT but thought to open 4S red/white first seat missing AKT7 trumps he must have at least one void suit, maybe even two, so asking for keycards a bit pointless? Or do you mean to look if the grand is on if p shows the 2 missing aces?

[aguahombre]

 blackshoe, on 2013-July-04, 07:58, said:

I already know partner has violated our agreement as to the meaning of a 4♠ opening...

That was as far as I got. Kudos to Ed for trying to continue beyond.

If partner opened 3S, I would have a similar problem and would probably just stay fixed by the opening and raise. There shouldn't be two outside prime features, no matter why partner decided to preempt me.

[Winstonm]

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[Winstonm]

The only thing that makes sense is an 8-5 or 9-4 pattern with a really good second suit: QJxxxxxx, void, void, AJ10x(x). I think to trust partner at this vulnerability requires a 7S bid because I think it impossible for partner to hold in his second suit less than the missing top honors.

Of course, it is possible partner misread the vulnerability, but I can't cater to that. I have to assume partner is paying attention and is trying as hard as he can to play well.

[nige1]

 eagles123, on 2013-July-04, 07:43, said:

Part 1: what is your bid

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Part 2: what is your opinion of the 4S opening

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I chose to bid 6 spades which made from bad defence and a lot of luck as the A clubs led and then the diamonds were all onside, was not very impressed with my P's opening bid

IMO

• 4N (keycard) = 10, 6♠ = 7, 6N = 4.
• Partner's 4♠ is brave but not utterly ridiculous and it's hard to argue with success

[Cyberyeti]

At any other vul I'd consider 4♠ completely routine, I'd want to be 841 at this one.

I'd bid 4N, QJ98xxxx(x), x, void, Axx(x) is not impossible where 7 is cold.

[PhilKing]

 eagles123, on 2013-July-04, 08:20, said:

I considered 4NT but thought to open 4S red/white first seat missing AKT7 trumps he must have at least one void suit, maybe even two, so asking for keycards a bit pointless? Or do you mean to look if the grand is on if p shows the 2 missing aces?

I like your reasoning - well done!

[blackshoe]

Hands with two voids are extremely rare, and if partner has gone that far afield we have bigger problems than "what should I bid?"

When I suggested 4NT, I was thinking of what I play, where we have a way to show a void. If you don't, then I agree, 4NT is probably too much. Partner clearly has something outside of spades for his off strength (in trumps) bid, but there's no telling what, although he might well have two aces. Not sure what the probability of that is, compared to the probability of two voids (or one).