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Anyone got a name for this position Sort of like a stepping stone squeeze

#1 User is offline   Cascade 

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Posted 2013-July-24, 22:51

No Trumps



South on lead an plays the 8

West has no good discard.

The position developed in 3NT with stiff ace opposite KQxxx with no possible side entry. So the spade blockage was there the whole time.
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Posted 2013-July-25, 01:43

This is nothing special and certainly no squeeze. (Dummy would be squeezed if you exchange East and West cards)
West has 2 winners and 2 losers. He can discard only one on the 8
This is a common theme, not even rare in practice.
Call it a stepping stone if you like.
Declarer has no communication between his hands and uses an opponent to get access to the other hand.
For example assume dummy has a long suit with no side entries and opponents have not parted with their ace until declarer is left with a singleton in the suit.
If declarer can manage to strip the ace holder of exit cards in the side suits before playing his last card in dummies suit the opponent will have only cards left to return dummies suit.

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Posted 2013-July-25, 01:58

yes I think this is a stepping stone but I wouldn't call it a squeeze either - west simply has only two winners. If S plays a heart West doesn't have to discard but that doesn't matter, declarer gets two tricks anyway.

Edit: silly me, rhm is right of course

This post has been edited by helene_t: 2013-July-25, 02:58

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Posted 2013-July-25, 02:03

View Posthelene_t, on 2013-July-25, 01:58, said:

If S plays a heart West doesn't have to discard but that doesn't matter, declarer gets two tricks anyway.

Not quite.

If West refuses to cash his second heart he can endplay dummy with a spade for 3 heart tricks.

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Posted 2013-July-25, 02:57

edited, im retarded
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Posted 2013-July-25, 04:31

View Postrhm, on 2013-July-25, 01:43, said:

This is nothing special and certainly no squeeze. (Dummy would be squeezed if you exchange East and West cards)
West has 2 winners and 2 losers. He can discard only one on the 8
This is a common theme, not even rare in practice.
Call it a stepping stone if you like.
Declarer has no communication between his hands and uses an opponent to get access to the other hand.
For example assume dummy has a long suit with no side entries and opponents have not parted with their ace until declarer is left with a singleton in the suit.
If declarer can manage to strip the ace holder of exit cards in the side suits before playing his last card in dummies suit the opponent will have only cards left to return dummies suit.

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While I agree with most of this, the first point doesn't make it not a squeeze, it just makes it positional, if dummy had 2 AJs and W 2 KQs the same would apply, but that is a positional squeeze.
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Posted 2013-July-25, 05:19

View PostCyberyeti, on 2013-July-25, 04:31, said:

While I agree with most of this, the first point doesn't make it not a squeeze, it just makes it positional, if dummy had 2 AJs and W 2 KQs the same would apply, but that is a positional squeeze.

I am not sure what you want to claim.
My first point was a simple observation on the given layout.
I never said that that on some different layouts West sitting under the dummy might not be squeezed.
That one can construct different layouts where West might get squeezed is plain trivial
But with the actual layout there is nothing resembling a squeeze.

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Posted 2013-July-25, 05:33

View Postrhm, on 2013-July-25, 05:19, said:

I am not sure what you want to claim.
My first point was a simple observation on the given layout.
I never said that that on some different layouts West sitting under the dummy might not be squeezed.
That one can construct different layouts where West might get squeezed is plain trivial
But with the actual layout there is nothing resembling a squeeze.

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Normally when you post a sentence with something in brackets after it, the brackets clarify why the sentence is true "It's not a squeeze (you just have all winners anyway)" for example, and that was the sense in which I read it, I wasn't expecting you to mean the stuff in brackets to be utterly irrelevant to the sentence with it.
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Posted 2013-July-25, 06:22


Cascade wrote "No Trumps. South on lead an plays the 8 West has no good discard. The position developed in 3NT with stiff ace opposite KQxxx with no possible side entry. So the spade blockage was there the whole time."

I think Cascade's OP ending (left) is a subtle non-material squeeze. South's winner strips West of what seems to be an idle card but, as Rainer points out, West is deprived of the chance of a third trick,

A similar theme but, this time, no squeeze
South to make 6 on a lead.

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Posted 2013-July-25, 06:42

View Postrhm, on 2013-July-25, 01:43, said:

This is nothing special and certainly no squeeze. (Dummy would be squeezed if you exchange East and West cards)

Agree that it's not a pure squeeze since West doesn't have to discard a winner, but the argument of exchanging East and West cards has nothing to do with this being a squeeze (it's just the difference between a positional and an automatic squeeze).

So it's 'something' positional and it uses West as a stepping stone to get the final trick. So maybe "positional stepping stone strip"?
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Posted 2013-July-25, 14:59

this is a form of "simple" squeeze where one defender squeezed in
2 suits must make a pitch that allows declarer to make one more
trick than they would otherwise be able to make. This is the most
common type of squeeze. It does not matter if we have to lose
0,1,2,3 tricks it is the mechanics of pitching after the player squeezed
that provides the definition of a simple squeeze.
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Posted 2013-July-25, 16:29

I am going to give this exciting new position a name: an endplay. Luckily, I was rereading Adventures in Card Play, which has some more basic examples, so I had a head start.

West discards a spade as does dummy, we play a heart and West is "endplayed" into giving a heart trick. Remember, you heard it here first.
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Posted 2013-July-25, 21:06

I wouldn't call it a squeeze: In a squeeze, you'd watch what LHO discards, and then pitch from the other suit in dummy.

In this position, you pitch from the same suit that LHO pitches.

So it's just an endplay, stepping-stoneish, with some care required in the preparation.
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Posted 2013-July-25, 21:28

View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-July-25, 02:57, said:

edited, im retarded

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Posted 2013-July-26, 10:43

Not a pure squeeze, but if you play the heart first (thinking you are squeezing the dummy on a club), the board gets Miamied.

So the club play works to 'trim' West's cards.

Besides, Ben is the de facto squeeze lexicographer here :P
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Posted 2013-August-21, 09:44



At Brighton, there was another fratricide-avoidance/stepping-stone squeeze ending similar to Cascade's.

In fact the contract was notrumps but, for our purposes, please assume that:
are trumps.

Reduced to essentials:
South is on lead and needs two of the last three tricks.
IMO, it is reasonable to call this a squeeze, too, because when South cashes A, LHO is subtly squeezed in the round suits

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