4H is balanced or 2452.
Partner make 1 slam try and stop. 1d-1H-4H
#1
Posted 2013-August-14, 22:25
4H is balanced or 2452.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#2
Posted 2013-August-14, 23:03
I made what 2 slam trys? does pard really think I have nothing in spades?
for some reason pard did not bid rkc but chooses to make a confusing slam try cue bid.
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I beg of you partner please stop with these 5 level cuebids or 4 level above kickback, over and over and over again....lets just play rkc, kickback.
I can live with one or two..but not always....
#3
Posted 2013-August-15, 00:37
#5
Posted 2013-August-15, 01:06
5♣: "Partner, I am interested in slam, I have a club control, but I have a leak in spades."
5♦: "I want to cooperate in your slam try because I have spades controlled."
5♥: "We seem to have a leak in the diamond suit."
The continuation should be:
5♠: "No, we don't have a leak in diamonds. As a matter of fact -when it comes to controls in the side suits- a grand might still be there. I have first round control in spades, and -since I am probing for a grand- must have first round control in diamonds. However, I don't know whether we will have 13 tricks (I have already limited my hand so you should be able to tell that) and I don't know whether you have first round control in clubs."
Rik
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#6
Posted 2013-August-15, 01:18
Trinidad, on 2013-August-15, 01:06, said:
5♣: "Partner, I am interested in slam, I have a club control, but I have a leak in spades."
5♦: "I want to cooperate in your slam try because I have spades controlled."
5♥: "We seem to have a leak in the diamond suit."
The continuation should be:
5♠: "No, we don't have a leak in diamonds. As a matter of fact -when it comes to controls in the side suits- a grand might still be there. I have first round control in spades, and -since I am probing for a grand- must have first round control in diamonds. However, I don't know whether we will have 13 tricks (I have already limited my hand so you should be able to tell that) and I don't know whether you have first round control in clubs."
Rik
so per you what does 5h say....over 5d...geez complicated who is saying all these bids, complicated
at this point we may be missing a of c and kq of trumps.
#7
Posted 2013-August-15, 01:34
As bid, the decision is really close, but I will guess to pass. How dare partner ask me to use my judgment rather than mindlessly invoke RKCB!
#8
Posted 2013-August-15, 01:46
As I have AK I bid 6h. If I was unbalanced say AK AJxx AQJTx xx I would bid 5S to try and find the perfect slam if pards had something like
xxx KQxxxx - AKxx which though a fantasy (ie perfect cards) is possible on the given bidding. However I'm not that strong and bidding slam does tell partner I have minimum for my 4h bid and the Ace of spades.
#9
Posted 2013-August-15, 03:29
mike777, on 2013-August-15, 01:18, said:
I think I answered that already. It says: "I don't have a diamond control."
mike777, on 2013-August-15, 01:18, said:
So partner made a slam try with 0 keycards (something like ♠QJ(x) ♥xxxx(x) ♦KJ(x) ♣KQ(x)), knowing that we have an 18-19 balanced? Do you believe that?
We have limited our hand accurately. That means that if partners makes a slam try, he expects that we have 12 tricks. He is not inviting slam as in "Go to slam if you are MAX, stop short if you are MIN.". The 12 tricks are there. He just doesn't know whether the opponents can take 2 tricks before we have our 12. So he needs to check on controls.
He obviously can't go Blackwooding since he lacks control of the spade suit. For the same reason, he can't bid 4♠. So, the only thing he can do is start to cue 5♣. At this point, we know that we should be in slam. Partner sees 12 tricks, we see the controls in diamonds and spades that he is looking for.
This means that -at the time- our 5♦ bid is not very helpful to him: At that point he knows that we have spades controlled, but he expects that diamonds will be a problem and bids 5♥. So, he doesn't have the ♦K, otherwise he would have gone to slam.
We know that we wanted to be in slam as soon as partner bid 5♣. So we make sure we get there. If we bid 5♠ now, we show first round control in spades and diamonds. Then it is up to partner to tell whether he see 13 tricks.
Rik
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the new discoveries, is not “Eureka!” (I found it!), but “That’s funny…” – Isaac Asimov
The only reason God did not put "Thou shalt mind thine own business" in the Ten Commandments was that He thought that it was too obvious to need stating. - Kenberg
#10
Posted 2013-August-15, 04:56
PhilKing, on 2013-August-15, 01:34, said:
As bid, the decision is really close, but I will guess to pass. How dare partner ask me to use my judgment rather than mindlessly invoke RKCB!
We use the 3N rebid for this sort of thing where we have a big hand with <5 diamonds and 4 hearts.
#13
Posted 2013-August-15, 08:15
In general me and my partner have no problems RKC instead of cuebidding and losing the 2 first trick if they find the lead if we feel that cuebidding will not solve all our problems. So here you can be sure that either hes got a D void either hes got another reason for believing RKC will not work so well.
In my favorite universe 2S (cheapest J-Shift or cheapesrt reverse would be artificial) and all others bid would be fairly precise. I so i agree that bidding 4H with many hands and 3H INV rather than forcing is a terrible method.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#14
Posted 2013-August-15, 09:22
#15
Posted 2013-August-15, 11:34
Partner didnt key card because partner had no idea what to do over the right response.
How do we do opposite xxx KQxxx xx AQx? Not so hot although you might get a helpful opening lead.
Xx kqxxxx xx Axx? On a hook or magic spades.
xxx KQxxxx xx Ax. Blecch.
I pass.
P.S., using 4M to show a balanced 18-19 is one of the worst bids you can have in your arsenal.
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#16
Posted 2013-August-15, 23:09
J9xx
KQxxxx
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Axx
6H is 50% while 6S is great on a non club lead and 50% on a club lead.
The hand could also be
Qxxx
KQxxxx
---
Kxx
where 6S is cold and 6H is 50%
VS
QJx
KQxxxx
---
Kxxx
6S is a lot better than 6H.
Once you think that responder is likely 4603,4504,3604 its clear that 5Nt PAS is a much better bid than 6H.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#17
Posted 2013-August-16, 08:29
Rik
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the new discoveries, is not “Eureka!” (I found it!), but “That’s funny…” – Isaac Asimov
The only reason God did not put "Thou shalt mind thine own business" in the Ten Commandments was that He thought that it was too obvious to need stating. - Kenberg
#18
Posted 2013-August-16, 19:59
benlessard, on 2013-August-14, 22:25, said:
Responder:
J 9 x x
K Q x x x x
void
A x x
Another way for Opener to show a GF hand is with the artificial 2S!-jump over the 1H response:
1D - 1H
2S! ( GF, may be artificial )
..... - 2NT! ( asks )
??
3C! ( other minor ) = real Spades ( 4s ), no 3h
3D = long Diam, no 4s, no 3h
3H = 3h* , no 4s
3S = 3h* AND 4s
After:
3S - 4S
4NT ( 6 Ace RKC )
..... - 5H ( 2 - ♠Q )
6S
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* Can always show the 4th ♥ by bidding 4H if opener rebids 3NT
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#19
Posted 2013-August-16, 23:04
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Rik
Because hes got a D void and vs AQJ or AKx of D hes doesnt want to play slam. Note that without the T of Spades its only a 27% slam so since youve got AQx vs a void passing 5H is certainly OK. I agree that using artificial methods is a lot better than standard for those hands.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#20
Posted 2013-August-17, 00:56
benlessard, on 2013-August-16, 23:04, said:
What is artificial about 5♦ showing spade control? How else are you supposed to show spade control when 5♣ says: "I want to go to slam, I don't have a spade control, but I have a club control."
5♦ showing spade control (and doubt about diamonds) is not artificial. I wouldn't even call it standard. It is simple bridge logic:
- Without a spade control you have to bid 5♥.
- With a spade control and a diamond control you bid higher than 5♥ (immediately, or after 5♦-5♥).
- That leaves 5♦ for the hands with a spade control and without a diamond control.
This "artifical method" is forced on you by the lack of bidding room. Other methods are not possible.
Rik
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the new discoveries, is not “Eureka!” (I found it!), but “That’s funny…” – Isaac Asimov
The only reason God did not put "Thou shalt mind thine own business" in the Ten Commandments was that He thought that it was too obvious to need stating. - Kenberg