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(In)Sanity Check Standard Bidding

Poll: (In)Sanity Check (41 member(s) have cast votes)

1C-1S-2C-2NT-3S?

  1. Forcing (39 votes [95.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 95.12%

  2. Not Forcing (2 votes [4.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

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Posted 2013-September-24, 21:24

Natural bidding, our side only bidding (opponents pass throughout). 1♣-1♠-2♣-2NT-3♠. Is this forcing?

Feel free to comment further if this is different between SAYC, 2/1, Acol, Forum D, K/S, or whatever other natural system you prefer.
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Posted 2013-September-24, 21:32

I would say yes. Why remove 2NT into a 4-3 (at most) fit, meanwhile bypassing 3♣? True, the player made a NF bid the round before, but partner's 2NT has shown real values where his 1♠ did not.
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Posted 2013-September-24, 21:45

According to the step-by-step SAYC available on BBO, this 3♠ bid is an acceptance of partner's game-invitation (the 2N bid), showing exactly three spades and asking partner to choose between 3N and 4♠.
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Posted 2013-September-25, 03:36

Responder has not denied a five card spade suit. In fact there are invitational hands with mediocre six spades where 2NT is the right rebid.
Without prior agreement I think there is little merit when you could play either way to stop one level below game.
So my meta agreement would be that bid is forcing, because opener has a problem with 3 card spade support. It offers a choice of games.
If opener has a minimum opening I prefer to raise spades directly with 3 card support.

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Posted 2013-September-25, 03:41

Adam, it is not like you to ask such easy questions :)
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Posted 2013-September-30, 07:20

24-1 in favour of forcing. Any guesses who might have broken the unanimous poll?
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Posted 2013-September-30, 08:17

Of course I think forcing as well. But the last three times this auction came up, my 3S bid was passed (by 3 different partners). The most recent was by GIB.
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Posted 2013-September-30, 10:08

most definitely forcing.
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Posted 2013-September-30, 10:38

Certainly forcing in standard bidding. Bidding a 3-card spade suit in case partner has 5 spades.

Although I wonder what the implications of this sequence are in partnerships that play 1C-1S-2C-2D as completely artificial and checking back for Major suit holdings. Those partnerships could probs stop in 3S after something like 1c-1s-2c-2d-2s-2nt-3s now non-forcing(?)
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Posted 2013-October-01, 06:53

The opening hand has not been asked to bid again and has indicated 6C and no extra values, although may have a decent hand. If players appreciate it is not winning bridge to try and improve part scores, therefore 3S is 100% forcing.
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