[Mbodell]

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We don't play any Kokish here. 2♦ shows the non-bust hands. Lead was a ♥ to the K, A and then trump split 2-1 for all the tricks.

[Cyberyeti]

What's the difference between transferring with 3♥ and bidding 4♥ for you ?

You're very badly placed compared to many pairs, but I need to understand exactly how badly. If you have the wide range 2N rebid, I think consuming space with 4♥ is not good as if you could bid say 3♥-3N(support and better than minimum) you could easily catch up.

With 4 card support and a 25 count, I'd be inclined to break the 4♥ transfer, can 5 be terrible opposite a non bust ?

[Endymion77]

What's your 2NT rebid range? With an ace, a singleton and a 6 carder, I think North can make a simple 3♥ transfer to see if South can superaccept. If that's a mild slam invitation, I think you might be pushing a bit if 2NT is 22-23 balanced but looking at South's nice 24 count, it's not clear.

[mcphee]

Not pleased with how N managed his values as the use of texas placed his hand in charge with no clue if he could afford to bid again. Although N had a nice hand without any idea how many trumps the opening hand holds the 5 level could be too much. A 3 level transfer far better as no matter how the strong hand reacts N can make a move. Mind you on this hand S sees a S xfer they will be quite pleased and when N makes a move slam will easily be reached.

[Mbodell]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-February-09, 05:25, said:

What's the difference between transferring with 3♥ and bidding 4♥ for you ?

3♥ followed by 3nt over 3♠ is a CoG with 5 spades.
3♥ followed by 4♠ would be a slam try with 6+ spades.
3♥ followed by 4m would show 2 suits.
3♥ followed by 4♥ could likely lead to confusion, but I think is 5-5 CoG?

[Cyberyeti]

Mbodell, on 2014-February-09, 06:45, said:

3♥ followed by 3nt over 3♠ is a CoG with 5 spades.
3♥ followed by 4♠ would be a slam try with 6+ spades.
3♥ followed by 4m would show 2 suits.
3♥ followed by 4♥ could likely lead to confusion, but I think is 5-5 CoG?

In which case you're hamstrung by your methods, but I think S with AKxx and a 25 count should break the 4♥ transfer. Since he wants to protect his ♣Kx, breaking it to 5♠ is probably best and partner will bid 6.

Is 2N-4♣ gerber ? if you're prepared to give that up then 2N-4♣ as 5-5 majors and 3♥ then 4♥ as a 6 card slam try opposite a big 2N would solve this issue.

[ggwhiz]

Even without changing your methods the North hand is just too strong for 4♥.

A 1st round control a 2nd rounder and a 6th trump with an extremely likely favorable opening lead make it well worth 3♥. Six is cold opposite a lot less in the south hand.

[whereagles]

No blame. 9 losers opposite an average 7 cover cards.

But ok, a good post mortem would be

2C 2D
2NT 3H
4C 6S

As they say: "A tecnicist is someone who knows exactly what to do the moment he does something else"...

[Cyberyeti]

ggwhiz, on 2014-February-09, 09:39, said:

Even without changing your methods the North hand is just too strong for 4♥.

A 1st round control a 2nd rounder and a 6th trump with an extremely likely favorable opening lead make it well worth 3♥. Six is cold opposite a lot less in the south hand.

The problem is that it's only cold opposite a lot less WITH a spade fit, indeed AKxx, Axx, AJ10x, Kx is plenty, but the problem is that partner probably thinks AQ, AKQ, AKxx, KQxx is a good hand and will accept a slam try, all he needs is Jxxxxx and A♣ for it to be good, but without J♠ it's poor.

[mikeh]

Given your methods, there is no little blame. N can't afford to show a slam try since his spades are too weak and the rest of the hand doesn't quite offset that problem. Sure, we can all see that had he bid 3♥, S would super-accept but that is being silly. 3♥ then 4♠ is a slam try opposite a non-super-accept! And this hand doesn't quite qualify.

S could have bid more than 4♠....but N needs no more than QJxxxx and out.....QJxxxx xx xxx xx would be an easy texas hand and even the 5-level is uncomfortable.

I would blame methods here as to say 90% and S 10% and N nothing.

[quiddity]

Depends what "non-bust" means. For me it means more than quack-6th of spades, so I would blame South.

[wank]

north. he has a 4 or 5 tricks opposite a 2c opener.

whilst south could have a go too, the 5 five level isn't totally safe - qjxxxx spades and out is trouble.

[the hog]

No blame. It is the excellent S fit that makes this. Change your methods so Nth can transfer with 3H and sth can make a cue based on great spades.

[gszes]

many have echoed this but definitely 3h followed by 4s to make a mild slam try.

Mild slam try asks p to go to six with a close to minimum hand a trump fit and

loaded in controls. It is easy to imagine p with Axxx Axx Axx KQx and either red

suit KQ combination = 22 (min for this system) and 6S a wonderful contract.

The arbitrary decision to sign off in 4S fails to consider slam opposite a minimum

but hands with even greater potential are also eliminated. P will be in a horrific bind

it they hold AKxx AKx AKxx Kx where 7s is easy but they are entirely too concerned

you could have xxxxxx xx xxx xx where venturing to the 5 level is unsafe. I think the

22+ is unplayable but that does not affect this hand IMO

[johnu]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-February-09, 05:25, said:

With 4 card support and a 25 count, I'd be inclined to break the 4♥ transfer, can 5 be terrible opposite a non bust ?

Maybe it doesn't make any difference for your analysis, but I only count 24 HCP.

[Cyberyeti]

johnu, on 2014-February-09, 22:38, said:

Maybe it doesn't make any difference for your analysis, but I only count 24 HCP.

Sorry I miscounted, but still a 2 point range above minimum (22+ was listed) which was my point, ie a hand that many people would have Kokish'd putting them in a better position than you, and also one where 5 is fairly safe. Even opposite the QJxxxx, xx, xxx, xx quoted earlier, you're not worse than one of two finesses.

[ggwhiz]

mikeh, on 2014-February-09, 11:38, said:

S would super-accept but that is being silly.

Not at all. Our discussed partnership agreement (especially after 1nt, simple transfer followed by a jump to game) is that this "slam" try is much milder than most play having trolled for a super accept (and we have 3 ways to do it) that we didn't get.

[Cyberyeti]

gszes, on 2014-February-09, 21:53, said:

you could have xxxxxx xx xxx xx where venturing to the 5 level is unsafe. I think the

22+ is unplayable but that does not affect this hand IMO

Snipped your post, but is this really a 2♦ GF ?

[EricK]

wank, on 2014-February-09, 21:15, said:

north. he has a 4 or 5 tricks opposite a 2c opener.

whilst south could have a go too, the 5 five level isn't totally safe - qjxxxx spades and out is trouble.

That should probably be shown as a bust though - you can still force it to game if opener shows 23 balanced. One definition I have seen for a bust opposite 2♣, is no Ace, no King, not 2 Queens.