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1D-(1H)-2H? Playing natural 1D and transfers

#1 User is offline   Kungsgeten 

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Posted 2014-February-17, 05:11

I've been thinking about using transfers if the opponents double or overcall 1H over our natural unbalanced diamond opening. I've thought about some structures and was wondering what you guys are playing (or have thought of playing). In particular the sequence 1D-(1H)-2H is interesting, since we can make a direct raise or a transfer raise to diamonds and use 1S as balanced.

1D--(1H)---
Dbl = 4+ spades
1S = 0-3 spades, usually balanced
1N = Transfer to clubs. We play this as weak or GF uncontested, perhaps it should be here too?
2C = Transfer raise. We play his as weak or GF uncontested.
2D = Direct raise. We play this as INV uncontested.
2H = ???
2S = Weak
2N = Natural INV?
3C = We play this as natural INV uncontested.
3D = Preemptive raise
3H = Splinter, or perhaps a transfer to 3NT?
3S = Fit show
4C = Fit show

Over our Swedish club (11--13 bal or 17+) we play 1C--(1H)--2H as a GF stopper ask. Does this make sense here too?
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Posted 2014-February-17, 07:30

I like 2H to show 6 or more spades and some agreed range. That takes some of the strain off the double. After, say, 1D 1H dbl 4H P P you are guessing a bit when you have a game force with long spades, after 1D 1H 2H 4H P P you can double happily.
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Posted 2014-February-17, 07:58

We play the Garozzo method where the cue bid shows 5-5 in the unbid suits, with invitational or better values. I doubt it has the frequency of Frances' method, but it is useful when it does come up.
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Posted 2014-February-17, 08:30

X = 4+ spades
1 = clubs or balanced without stop
1NT = nat
2 = raise
2 = raise
2 = 6+ spades, weak or GF
2 = fit jump

I looked up Ben's Equality and he plays:

X = spades
1 = Clubs, or balanced misfit
1NT = Natural, non-forcing
2 = 4+ spades, relatively balanced
2 = 5+ spades, forcing
2 = Diamond fit, invite (not GF, see 2NT)
2 = Fit jump, NF
2NT = Weak or game forcing raise
3 = Fit jump, NF
3 = Weak (but not desperately weak)
3 = Looks for 3NT with stopper


Using the 2 response to take additional load off the double looks an interesting idea. I think a compromise between the 2 schemes where one of 2/2 shows a raise and the other shows spades might be better than both of these. Perhaps 2 as a diamond raise (of all strengths) and 2 to show 5+ spades, INV+? That is:

X = 4+ spades
1 = clubs or balanced without stop
1NT = nat
2 = raise
2 = 5 spades, GF; or 5+ spades, invite
2 = 6+ spades, weak or GF
2 = fit jump
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Posted 2014-February-17, 09:57

Well you can try the Canadian version which was in Nightmare:
X-4 or 5
1- 0-3 spades
1NT-NAT
2, NF
2, NF
2, 6+ - 8+HCP(wants to be in game opposite good hand with support)
2, 6+ 0-7
2NT+ Up to you
I tried playing this over the precision diamond. Although now we might find a better structure playing precision with an unbalanced diamond, where 1 is similar to yours, and at the moment we play X=4, and 1=5+, but i suppose i could try to market my partner one of these methods(Muhahaha)
Today showed him Equality.
About 2 overall, i think it should be used a forcing hand with a spade-onesuiter, as mentioned above
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Posted 2014-February-17, 09:57

I like
2 = 6 spades any strength, or 5 spades game-forcing
2 = exactly 5 spades with a reasonable suit, exactly invitational

This means that in a sequence like
1 1 dbl 5
pass pass dbl
responder will usually have only four spades.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2014-February-17, 10:48

I use it as 6+ weak or GF (and 2 shows the intermediate hand). This relieves some tension of the Dbl (now showing 4-5).

Remark: this is in a precision framework, where s aren't natural and opener is limited.
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Posted 2014-February-17, 11:02

1D-(1H)-?
DBL=4+cS
1S=0-3cS
1NT=Natural, stop
2C=Nat, 1RF
2D=6cS, weak or GF
2H=D-fit, inv+
2S=5cS, 4cD, weak
2NT=4+cD, very weak
3C=6cC, invite
3D=4cD, 6-9
3H=splinter
3S=6cS, invite
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