[damitall]

I do not think that this hand has to force a game unless and until we hear partners rebid.The hands may turn out to ba misfit after that.A bid of forcing one trump may also prove to discover misfits and then we can sign of in 2Spades.If parner rebids 2S then we know a six carder suit and a decent hand(since he did not open 2S.).I dont think it is sensible to play ALL 2/1 as game forcing.In this respect the old fashioned way i.e.2/1 is forcing only upto 2NT or 3 of a suit was excellent.Let us say ,1S-2C-2any-2S is forcing for one round as 2NT level has not been reached.1S-2C-2S-3S is a game force and not invitational as responder would have bid not 2C but 3S to show that type of hand.Looking at Q10 of spades I am not ashamed to bod 4S if openers rebid is 2 Spades.Any rebid except 2D is easy to tackle.With all this in mind I feel the old fashioned non game forcing bid of 2C is superior.

[movingon]

whereagles, on 2014-September-05, 02:51, said:

1♠ 1NT
2♠ 4♠

1♠ 1NT
2♣ 4♦

1♠ 1NT
2♦ 2NT

1♠ 1NT
2♥ 4♦

Seem like pretty good auctions to me. I'd bid 1NT.

I like this!

[barmar]

blackshoe, on 2014-September-04, 16:19, said:

Marty Bergen would, I think, evaluate this as a bad 12 points. 11 HCP, two points for the club length, subtract a point for Q doubleton in spades. Bad 12s should not force to game.

Should you really subtract a point for Qx when it's in partner's suit?

[bdegrande]

2♣. You have a six card suit, a good four card suit, a ruffing value, a control in every side suit, and the doubleton Q in partner's suit does not deserve to be downgraded.

[the hog]

broze, on 2014-September-04, 08:59, said:

Yep. And if he has that we'll be unlucky. OP didn't specify form of scoring but I'm assuming IMPs. I would take the low road at MPs.

As I prefer + to - scores, I would bid 1NT. I seriously do not understand a 2C bid. Bidding 1NT does NOT mean that we cannot play in game.Sorry but I think th standard of bidding on this site is quite poor for many players.To say bid 2C to solve a problem is absurd. This hand type is not that uncommon. If this is a problem for you I suggest to change the system.

[Winstonm]

If you don't bid 1NT, then what is the point of playing 2/1 as game force? This hand is only problematic if 1NT can be passed. Hence, Forcing nt.

[Nabooba]

I totally agree with the comments made by the two posters above, particularly with the hog's comments. Saying a bid is a gf does not make it so. This is a 1NT bid unless you lack hand evaluation skills.

[wank]

noone has claimed it's worth a 2/1. those who choose to bid 2♣ are doing so knowing it's an overbid because it has other benefits. you might not consider those benefits to be adequate, but it's silly to pretend they don't exist.

[yunling]

whereagles, on 2014-September-05, 02:51, said:

1♠ 1NT
2♠ 4♠

1♠ 1NT
2♣ 4♦

1♠ 1NT
2♦ 2NT

1♠ 1NT
2♥ 4♦

Seem like pretty good auctions to me. I'd bid 1NT.

Agree. This hand is not a game force opposite a 2♦ rebid, but has game value otherwise. 1NT gives you the most flexibility and does not really create problems. On the other hand, with an ATxxxx club suit, what's your rebid after 1♠-2♣-2♦? 2NT is certainly worse than 1♠-1NT-2♦-2NT, and 3♣ is also poor with such a bad suit. Even if p has some 5-1-4-3 hands where 2♣ is the only way to find the club fit, you are more belonged to 3NT than 5♣ with that heart holding. So I see no way can 2♣ be the better choice.
Change the hand to
QT
Axxx
x
KQTxxx
then 2♣ may has its merit.

[fromageGB]

I can't see how you can make a 2/1 GF without going off in game on many opener hands. 1NT seems the only bid to me. Continuations depend on agreements, but whatever they are, they will be better than immediately forcing to game.

[mgoetze]

movingon, on 2014-September-04, 07:51, said:

Partner opens 1S in second seat. Is this hand good enough for a 2/1, or
> do you bid a forcing Nt?
>
> Q10
> KQ42
> 2
> A108732
>

Sitting across from myself, I would bid 1NT. If CHO is someone who thinks you need 13 points to open, I'll bid 2♣.