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#1 User is offline   jerdonald 

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Posted 2014-September-07, 09:18

BBO forum,
Playing in an open pairs game recently my partner opened 1 club
and I bid 1 heart. Partner bid 2 hearts which was passed out.

Dummy had 3 hearts and the contract was made. After the hand
was played one of our opponents asked why the opener supported
my suit with only 3 cards and I replied that is our agreement.
He claimed that had to be alerted. Is that right?

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Posted 2014-September-07, 09:24

Depends on your jurisdiction.
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Posted 2014-September-07, 09:58

View Postmgoetze, on 2014-September-07, 09:24, said:

Depends on your jurisdiction.


Where would it require an alert? I'm curious.

Certainly not in ACBL land.
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Posted 2014-September-07, 10:40

View Posttrevahound, on 2014-September-07, 09:58, said:

Where would it require an alert? I'm curious.

Certainly not in ACBL land.

It might in France, where such a practice is unheard of.
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Posted 2014-September-07, 15:18

The OP posted from the US, so it's highly likely that it's ACBL jurisdiction.

There's no requirement to alert 3-card raises here. Some players make them more routinely than others, but they're still very common and not alertable.

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Posted 2014-September-07, 17:54

View Posttrevahound, on 2014-September-07, 09:58, said:

Where would it require an alert? I'm curious.

The German alert rules are technically unknowable but I would venture to guess that a majority of German TDs would consider it alertable.
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Posted 2014-September-07, 17:55

View Postbarmar, on 2014-September-07, 15:18, said:

The OP posted from the US,

Say... does this place have a privacy policy? :P
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Posted 2014-September-07, 18:06

View Postjerdonald, on 2014-September-07, 09:18, said:


He claimed that had to be alerted. Is that right?



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Posted 2014-September-07, 18:32

It's a tendency I'd like to see disclosed, even in the US. I don't know what the best method for disclosing it is; alerting doesn't feel like a solution.
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Posted 2014-September-07, 20:51

In my one partnership where we play it as guaranteeing 4, we think that's sufficiently unusual that we highlight the agreement as declaring side when the auction finishes. But it does differ depending on where you are playing.
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