Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?
#12581
Posted 2019-April-18, 08:51
#12582
Posted 2019-April-18, 09:28
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After two years, the SCO could not clear the president of an obstruction charge, yet AG Barr could over a weekend?
#12583
Posted 2019-April-18, 10:22
Pairing statements like
"Given the role of the special counsel as an attorney in the Department of Justice and the framework of the special counsel regulations, this office accepted OLC's legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction"
with
"We concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice"
(or in plain English, we were allowed to indict the President. Congress, yo have the power to address this)
#12584
Posted 2019-April-18, 11:16
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John, I understand, Mueller replied, according to Woodward.
bed
#12585
Posted 2019-April-18, 13:09
rmnka447, on 2019-April-15, 15:21, said:
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I guess it's ok that Trump orders his aides to commit crimes because (so far) he has had aides who refused to carry out such orders?
#12586
Posted 2019-April-18, 14:18
- ordered her WH counsel to fire a special counsel investigator (who refused),
- asked her WH counsel to lie to the special counsel investigators about this order,
- asked one of her staff to deliver a message to his AG to unrecuse himself from the special counsel probe.
If you had read all that (and more), wouldn't you have wanted impeachment proceedings against Clinton?
#12587
Posted 2019-April-18, 14:49
Winstonm, on 2019-April-18, 09:28, said:
LOL, Barr had already concluded that Dennison had not committed obstruction without seeing any of the evidence that Mueller had gathered, and that was before he was appointed AG (I prefer to call Barr "Dennison's personal attorney but paid by the Federal Government"). It didn't matter what Mueller's report said.
#12589
Posted 2019-April-18, 15:18
Winstonm, on 2019-April-18, 09:28, said:
After two years, the SCO could not clear the president of an obstruction charge, yet AG Barr could over a weekend?
OTOH, if the Special Counsel had enough to conclude that the President was guilty of obstruction, he could have also stated that, but he didn't. So his result was clearly inconclusive in a legal sense. Mueller also said that the investigation was not interfered with or impeded by the President. If no actual obstruction of the investigation occurred, then there's no crime. AG Barr said he used Mueller's definition of obstruction to make his decision on obstruction and concluded no crime occurred.
Now, if you feel what the President did politically crossed some line that justifies impeachment, have at it. Nancy Pelosi was right when she said impeachment had to have wide bipartisan support to be pursued. You may bring articles out of the House on partisan lines, but convicting Trump in the Senate is a pipedream.
#12590
Posted 2019-April-18, 15:22
johnu, on 2019-April-18, 14:49, said:
Thanks for your opinion about AG Barr's decision. But where's your proof that that's what he did?
#12591
Posted 2019-April-18, 15:35
johnu, on 2019-April-16, 17:28, said:
LOL, I guess you feel challenging the progressive myth that collusion occurred is propaganda and, thus crap. Sorry to see you so brainwashed.
This opinion piece that appeared jn WAPO a couple days ago says it all --
https://www.washingt...m=.9f3962a57b83
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Sure, Comey was not being forthcoming with the President about the investigation. And the President apparently had sources that exposed the duplicity that Comey was up to. See the following --
https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp
#12592
Posted 2019-April-18, 15:37
rmnka447, on 2019-April-18, 15:22, said:
https://www.document...bstruction.html
#12593
Posted 2019-April-18, 15:40
#12594
Posted 2019-April-18, 16:30
rmnka447, on 2019-April-18, 15:40, said:
Absolutely
#12595
Posted 2019-April-18, 17:31
rmnka447, on 2019-April-18, 15:18, said:
You clearly didn't read the report. It states quite clearly that under no circumstances this report would have stated a conclusion that the president is guilty, because it would undoubtedly leak and such a statement becoming public would be as harmful to the presidency as an indictment, and would thus be against existing DOJ guidelines.
#12596
Posted 2019-April-18, 18:19
rmnka447, on 2019-April-18, 15:18, said:
Now, if you feel what the President did politically crossed some line that justifies impeachment, have at it. Nancy Pelosi was right when she said impeachment had to have wide bipartisan support to be pursued. You may bring articles out of the House on partisan lines, but convicting Trump in the Senate is a pipedream.
You should read the report and then get back to us. Once you do, you and I should be able to put aside our political differences in order to focus on our common enemy, Russia, who attacked our democracy with a coordinated effort culminating in the 2016 election.
#12597
Posted 2019-April-18, 18:31
Winstonm, on 2019-April-18, 18:19, said:
I doubt that we will see Trump impeached.
I am still expecting to see his family members indicted.
And, once Trump is not longer President, we'll see what happens.
In the mean time, I look forward to the state of New York doing a thorough investigation of money laundering and tax evasion.
#12598
Posted 2019-April-18, 19:04
hrothgar, on 2019-April-18, 18:31, said:
I am still expecting to see his family members indicted.
And, once Trump is not longer President, we'll see what happens.
In the mean time, I look forward to the state of New York doing a thorough investigation of money laundering and tax evasion.
The power of the presidency is immense - that the power is in the hands of a totally corrupt individual is immensely damaging. It will take state level prosecutions to make a difference because AG Barr can now quash any U.S. federal inquiry, including the SDNY, and will be happy to do so under the direction of the president as that fits with his unitary executive beliefs.
#12599
Posted 2019-April-18, 19:33
rmnka447, on 2019-April-18, 15:18, said:
Quoting from page 214 of the Mueller report:
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Again, read the report. It is eye opening.
#12600
Posted 2019-April-18, 21:21
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