4th suit forcing In which sequences?
#1
Posted 2016-November-26, 08:52
But not in some sequences.
Just had
1D-2C-2H-2S
described as 4+sp.
What's the rule/logic when 4sf applies or not?
#2
Posted 2016-November-26, 09:33
If so that might explain why.
#3
Posted 2016-November-26, 12:55
#4
Posted 2016-November-26, 13:38
That said, we are only concerned with what is standard, here, and whatever I feel about waste, if you are (and I think you are) in a GF scenario already, then the standard is for 2S to be natural.
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#5
Posted 2016-November-26, 14:26
It's true that under the old way, 2H was a GF reverse, so 2S again could be natural.
#6
Posted 2016-November-26, 17:29
iandayre, on 2016-November-26, 14:26, said:
Nope: http://www.bridgebas...t-bidding-hole/
#9
Posted 2016-November-27, 16:19
Bbradley62, on 2016-November-27, 15:07, said:
If 2♣ is not a game force, and by agreement, 2♥ does not show extras, then why should it be a game force?
#11
Posted 2016-November-28, 13:20
smerriman, on 2016-November-26, 17:29, said:
w.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/74820-another-clearcut-bidding-hole/
That hand supports my position. 2C is clearly stated to be forcing to 3NT. That did not used to be part of the definition. The fact that GIB passed 3C is a separate issue. 2C is forcing to game.
Regarding opener's major suit rebid after 1D-2C. In the Max Hardy version of 2/1 that I learned many years ago, 2M simply showed a suit. He recommended that 2M DENIED a good 5 card or longer D suit, in effect an anti-reverse. GIB's 2/1 is very similar to Max's methods in many ways. Now that 1D/2C is forcing to 3NT, I believe I have recently seen the 2M rebid described as above, at least about not promising extras. Someone should post the hand with description the next time that auction comes up.
#12
Posted 2016-November-28, 14:03
iandayre, on 2016-November-28, 13:20, said:
The concensus there was that it was the description of 2♣ that was wrong; Gib doesn't treat it as forcing to game (the system notes agree).