Suggest an Auction to the Grand
#2
Posted 2017-November-10, 01:01
1NT (15-17)
2♣ Stayman
2♥ 4+ ♥
3♦ longer minor than major (GF)
3♥ good ♦ fit 3+ cards, first round control in ♥. Cue bid by inference shows support for ♦s
3♠ first round control. By inference confirms responder is slam-orientated, not interested in 3NT.
4♣ first round control
4♥ second round control of ♥s
4NT Roman Key Card Blackwood 0314
5♣ Showing 3 of 5 'aces' including ♦K
5NT Queen ask (3rd round control), excluding trump queen. Either the ♣Q or ♠Q will be a useful card
6♣ ♣Q (partner bids 6♦ without any Q)
7♦ North will now think after all the bidding but not knowing quite exactly South's hand, "The grand slam is a fair bet, if trumps don't break too badly this should make."
#4
Posted 2017-November-10, 03:30
3♣
3♦
4♥ auto-Splinter
4♠ encouraging with A/K♠
4NT
5♠ 2 with Q
5NT
6♣ lowest King
now S knows all 16HCP from N and can count to 12 tricks in NT, so we might get stuck in 6NT or
6♠ 3rd control?
7♦ yes
@The_Badgers
How would you have bid differntly if the J♦ were the J♣?
and I don't like the 1NT-opener taking control, opposite an unlimited partner, who should be captain of the auction (for example only S knows, that there are 6 ♦-tricks).
So would've bid 4♠ showing second round control in Spades
What would've been King ask? 5♠?
regards
JW
#5
Posted 2017-November-10, 05:51
This post has been edited by masse24: 2017-November-10, 05:54
#6
Posted 2017-November-10, 05:53
The_Badger, on 2017-November-10, 01:01, said:
1NT (15-17)
2♣ Stayman
2♥ 4+ ♥
3♦ longer minor than major (GF)
3♥ good ♦ fit 3+ cards, first round control in ♥. Cue bid by inference shows support for ♦s
3♠ first round control. By inference confirms responder is slam-orientated, not interested in 3NT.
4♣ first round control
4♥ second round control of ♥s
4NT Roman Key Card Blackwood 0314
5♣ Showing 3 of 5 'aces' including ♦K
5NT Queen ask (3rd round control), excluding trump queen. Either the ♣Q or ♠Q will be a useful card
6♣ ♣Q (partner bids 6♦ without any Q)
7♦ If trumps don't break too badly this should make.
If it's known that 1NT can be opened with a 5 card major, I might interpret 3♥ as showing a 5th ♥, rather than agreeing ♦.
#7
Posted 2017-November-10, 06:56
croquetfan, on 2017-November-10, 01:31, said:
I disagree. Will be hard to show 16 points balanced if you don't open 1N.
Also, with only A♥ if you open 1♥ partner will assume some of your points in ♥ will be wasted opposite a singleton and will unlikely to be looking for 7.
To Badger. you don't need trump to break. Ruff a spade and you have 13 tricks barring some unusual ruff by defenders.
#8
Posted 2017-November-10, 06:59
1N-2♣
2♥-2♠(general GF enquiry)
3♥(5 hearts)-4♦(4♠/5+♦ slammish)
4♥(KC♦)-4♠(0/3)
5♣(Q♦, I have one of ♣KQ, bid slam with the other)- 5N(Q♣, no Km, encouraging noise, very likely a 6th ♦ or J or both, might be Q♠)
7♦
#9
Posted 2017-November-10, 07:21
3♥= cue bid .A♥...........................4♦ - Roman key card Gerber
5♣=2 of 5 KC +trump Q...............5♠=cue bid A♠
6 ♣= cue bid K♣
(having already shown A♣...........6♥ =cue bid K or singleton
6♠=cue bid K♠..............................7♦
note 1: after 5♣ reply to RKCGerber 5♦would be sign off.
note 2: after 6♣ cue bid 6♦ would be sign off settling for small slam
note 3: if responder cue bids A♠ after openers cue bid of A ♥ opener then initiates Roman key card Gerber.
note 4: after opener shows K♠ responder can sign off in 6NT.
note 5: If opener has a 3rd ♠ 12 tricks is maximum unless a squeeze develops if one defender has both long ♠and ♥.(Getting into the late Terence Reece' territory now )
note 6: As there is a singleton in responder's hand there is likely to be another probably in trumps. If so drawing the 3rd round of trumps must be delayed until a ♠ is ruffed in dummy.which is the 13th trick. 7♦3♣1♥and 2♠
#11
Posted 2017-November-10, 09:03
steve2005, on 2017-November-10, 06:56, said:
Quite agree, Steve. When I wrote "7♦ If trumps don't break too badly this should make" I was trying to provide North's thoughts after all the bidding whether 7♦ was a sound contract. Thanks, I have amended the original post.
#13
Posted 2017-November-10, 09:24
1N - 2N
3C/D - 3H
4C - 4S
5C - 6C
7D
3C/D is whatever the superaccept is by agreement.
4C, 4S, and 5C are obvious cue bids.
6C shows the Queen and excellent trump - some interest in a grand and opener accepts holding the Ace of hearts and the King of spades to go with the Qxx of trumps already indicated by the superaccept.
#14
Posted 2017-November-10, 09:28
#15
Posted 2017-November-10, 09:38
Cyberyeti, on 2017-November-10, 09:04, said:
That is a good question I cannot answer, Cyberyeti. I suppose that sometimes you have to accept that with two eight card fits you're bound to play in the wrong trump suit occasionally. Our Stayman followed by three of a minor usually shows 4-6 at least, slam-orientated as opposed to just game, though I concede it could show 4-5.
Back to the drawing board...
#16
Posted 2017-November-10, 09:42
JonnyQuest, on 2017-November-09, 22:48, said:
1NT - 2♣
2♥ - 3♦1
3♥2 - 4♦3
4♠4 - 4NT5
5♠ - 5NT
6♣ - 7♦
1. Showing 4 ♠ and 5+ ♦
2. I have five ♥
3. Six+ ♦, slammy
4. Okay, ♦ are fine--here is a ♠ control
5. RKC -- etc.
#18
Posted 2017-November-10, 13:27
1NT - 3!C
3!D - 3!S
4!C - 4!D
4!H - 4!S
4NT - 5!S
5NT - 7!D
3!C slam try 6!D
3!D 3+ card support
3!S 6!D4!S
4!C/!h!/!S fist or second round control
4!D waiting
4NT turbo 0 2 4 key cards
5!S do you have the Q we have all key cards
5NT yes but no second suit
7!D dosent matter we must have enough
#19
Posted 2017-November-11, 00:15
The_Badger, on 2017-November-10, 01:01, said:
1NT (15-17)
2♣ Stayman
2♥ 4+ ♥
3♦ longer minor than major (GF)
3♥ good ♦ fit 3+ cards, first round control in ♥. Cue bid by inference shows support for ♦s
3♠ first round control. By inference confirms responder is slam-orientated, not interested in 3NT.
4♣ first round control
4♥ second round control of ♥s
4NT Roman Key Card Blackwood 0314
5♣ Showing 3 of 5 'aces' including ♦K
5NT Queen ask (3rd round control), excluding trump queen. Either the ♣Q or ♠Q will be a useful card
6♣ ♣Q (partner bids 6♦ without any Q)
7♦ North will now think after all the bidding but not knowing quite exactly South's hand, "The grand slam is a fair bet, if trumps don't break too badly this should make."
In "standard" methods, the auction would be very uch like this one, except that 5H, not 5NT, would be the Queen ask. Then in standard, 5S (Queen of D + King of S); 5NT (anything else you want to tell me); 6C (I have the King of clubs, too).
At this point, South knows 16 of North's HCP: Ks/Ah/Qd/AKc. So North can't have a lot more (maybe a Jack). South can count 12 tricks, so 6NT is fine. The question is whether partner has a doubleton spade (third-round ruff); the AKJx of clubs (J is trick 13); or a five-card H suit (fifth heart is odds-on to set up). None are likely, but the doubleton spade is the best bet. Since 6NT is safe, probably South's best bid at this point is 6H, showing second round H control. Now North can bid 6S, third round spade control, and now South knows N has Kx in spades and can confidently bid 7D.
Not easy.
Cheers,
Mike