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#21 User is offline   AL78 

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Posted 2022-September-24, 05:33

 Cyberyeti, on 2022-September-24, 02:32, said:

Since we start with a weak 2 in front of the preempt, bidding the slam is trivial, this is not the best hand we've seen oposite one of our weak 2s by a long way.


We weren't playing weak 2 but if we were I wouldn't open 2 with only five and a four card major. I play weak twos in second seat as sound.
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Posted 2022-September-24, 05:42

 AL78, on 2022-September-24, 05:33, said:

We weren't playing weak 2 but if we were I wouldn't open 2 with only five and a four card major. I play weak twos in second seat as sound.


As I said, I missed it was second seat not first, we don't open it in 2nd, but do in first.
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Posted 2022-September-24, 16:39

 DavidKok, on 2022-September-24, 03:46, said:

I wouldn't open this 2 with three flaws - second seat, four card hearts side suit and no intermediates. I think this is resulting.

the extrem in weak 2 opening are
Ekren 0-5 HCP 4+ AND 4+ EVEN A 4=4=3=2
THE ORIGINAL IS OPENED WITH 2
OR OPENING 2 0-5 HCP 5+ 0-3 0-5 m
part of some strong club system have udiciplend 2 level weak opening
from 2 to 2 so you can open with 5m and 4M normaly in first or second chair rarely at third chair Never in 4 chair
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Posted 2022-September-24, 17:48

 DavidKok, on 2022-September-24, 01:48, said:

Without the preempt there is room to investigate, but with it 3NT seems like the right move.

That balancing on 0-10 idea is nuts, why doesn't the partner of preempter have a lousy 11 and the preempter a maximum? You'll be handing out 530's and 730's.

I was about to say something similar. What some people don’t seem to recognize is that after two passes, third seat can basically do pretty much anything. Yes, if he has a full opening hand and partner a strong hand for his pass, one may miss a game. Meanwhile, when game isn’t on, we’ve jammed the auction and created major problems for the opponents

This is very much a matchpoint strategy, since missing games at imps isn’t a great idea. I’ve enjoyed a number of excellent results after heavy third seat two bids and, less often, three bids.
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Posted 2022-September-24, 23:06

 DavidKok, on 2022-September-24, 01:48, said:

Without the preempt there is room to investigate, but with it 3NT seems like the right move.

That balancing on 0-10 idea is nuts, why doesn't the partner of preempter have a lousy 11 and the preempter a maximum? You'll be handing out 530's and 730's.

I was about to say something similar. What some people don’t seem to recognize is that after two passes, third seat can basically do pretty much anything. Yes, if he has a full opening hand and partner a strong hand for his pass, one may miss a game. Meanwhile, when game isn’t on, we’ve jammed the auction and created major problems for the opponents

This is very much a matchpoint strategy, since missing games at imps isn’t a great idea. I’ve enjoyed a number of excellent results after heavy third seat two bids and, less often, three bids.
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Posted 2022-September-26, 13:30

My copy of Andersen and Zenkel Auken is in another country, but ISTR something like:
(3M)-3NT: 15-20 or so, balanced with stoppers. Is it right? Who knows?

Sometimes preempts work. That's why they're still played.
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