[luis]

Important f2f tournament, 4 exp++ table, many kibitzers, the following hand showed up:

Matchpoints!

Scoring: MP

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Bidding (East deals and opens 2 spades)

2♠ - DBL - 3♠ - 3NT
Pass - 4♣ - Pass - 4♥
Pass - 4NT - Pass - 5♦ (1/4)
pass - 5NT - pass - 6♦ (1)
pass - 6♥ - pass - pass
pass

South intended 6♥ as asking for the hQ to play 7N or a heart doubleton to play 7♣.
North explained south must have a strong hand with hearts and didn't bid 4♥ over 3NT since that would have been non forcing. So 4♣ was an advanced cuebid and then he probably needed 2 kings to play 6NT instead of 6♥.

The War of the Worlds started with a "what the hell?... from south" when the tray came back with a pass from pd... Kibitzers tried to run but some of them were not quick enough, some kibitzers are still in hospital with rebound injuries. We have not received information about survivors.

What's your opinion?

[whereagles]

My opinion?

2♠......dbl....3♠....3NT
pass..6NT

(Or 6♣..)

[Echognome]

My opinion is that North was a bit confused and didn't stop to think. Playing 4♣ as an advanced cue BEFORE showing a natural suit is just way too cute for a crammed auction. I think North got confused when his heart cue-bid was then given blackwood and is now reeling a bit. I'm voting with the South camp.

[mike777]

whereagles, on Jun 27 2005, 11:21 AM, said:

My opinion?

2♠......dbl....3♠....3NT
pass..6NT

(Or 6♣..)

ya, 4clubs is just goofy bid 6nt and next hand.

[flytoox]

Jlall, on Jun 27 2005, 04:40 PM, said:

6H is just asking for disaster. If he wants to get fancy, he can at least bid 6S which wont confuse anything. Or he can just bid 7N, he can count 12 and a half and pards free 3N bid has shown up with 7 points (indeed he didnt have much of a 3N bid as it was).

That being said, north should be able to work it out. 6H cant be natural. Still, these 6H bids win the post mortem and lose at the table.

I agree with Justin. We have 12 tricks for sure. Remember the old saying: whenever there is twelve tricks, there is thirteen tricks. Why bother with 6H?

South need to get a copy of Simon's 'why you lose at bridge' asap.

[whereagles]

flytoox, on Jun 27 2005, 05:23 PM, said:

Remember the old saying: whenever there is twelve tricks, there is thirteen tricks.

That's not true The other day I contracted for 13 tricks, only to find out 12 was the limit (finesse failed )

[Rebound]

luis, on Jun 27 2005, 12:07 PM, said:

The War of the Worlds started with a "what the hell?... from south" when the tray came back with a pass from pd... Kibitzers tried to run but some of them were not quick enough, some kibitzers are still in hospital with rebound injuries. We have not received information about survivors.

What's your opinion?

OT: I just want to make this clear before Dubya comes a callin' - I am not nor have I ever been a WMD!

[Echognome]

flytoox, on Jun 27 2005, 06:23 PM, said:

South need to get a copy of Simon's 'why you lose at bridge' asap.

Other than discussing the unlucky expert at rubber bridge, I don't really see how this relates. Yes Simon was very much a practical bidder, but this is supposedly a high standard game being played. You should expect partner to be able to work these things out. "Punting" 7NT works on this hand, but when you have a perfectly reasonable way of finding out which grand to be in, why not use some "science"?

[Echognome]

Well on the expected spade lead, it's odds on to make. 4-3 is most likely distribution of hearts. Draw 3 rounds of trumps and play off winning clubs. Keeps my loss down to those that bid "only" 6NT.

[flytoox]

Echognome, on Jun 27 2005, 09:14 PM, said:

You should expect partner to be able to work these things out.

This is the key. What you think it should be is different from what it would be. You think pd should be smart enough to work it out but why give him a chance to make mistake when you can control everything?

Can you say you never make stupid mistake? None can, neither your pd.

Donot test your pd, unnecessary.

[flytoox]

whereagles, on Jun 27 2005, 05:42 PM, said:

flytoox, on Jun 27 2005, 05:23 PM, said:

Remember the old saying: whenever there is twelve tricks, there is thirteen tricks.

That's not true The other day I contracted for 13 tricks, only to find out 12 was the limit (finesse failed )

hehe, counterexample doesnot apply in bridge. This law is at least as good as the law of total tricks. Dont you think so?

[whereagles]

No.